Evidence of meeting #51 for Finance in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was measure.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

François-Philippe Champagne  Minister of Finance and National Revenue
Lefebvre  Richmond—Arthabaska—des-Sources, CPC
Genest-Grégoire  Assistant Professor, Department of Taxation, Université de Sherbrooke, As an Individual
Au  Associate Professor of Finance, As an Individual
Jarvis  Ontario Director, Canadian Taxpayers Federation
Gagnon  Quebec Director, Canadian Taxpayers Federation

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

I could provide you with a specific answer to that question later, Mr. Garon. As you said, it's a technical question.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

It shouldn't be, but since we no longer know what an investment is, I'm trying my luck by asking you.

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

It's because I want to be sure. You asked me earlier to be very specific in my answers. We'll respond in writing so you have all the details. I would also like to put the answer in the context of the analysis, because I know you don't want just a yes or no. You want the analysis behind the answer, so we will provide you with the analysis.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

I'm actually surprised, because it's not a capital investment.

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

We will provide you with the analysis in writing. That way, you will have all the documentation you need.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

However, I agree with you that your definitions have become confusing. So it's good that—

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

No, I think people understand, and so does the Parliamentary Budget Officer.

However, in order to give you a very specific answer, as you asked me earlier—

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

You understand, but it's hard to express.

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

It's one more way of presenting the budget analysis.

I know you want precise and technical answers, so I want to give it to you in writing. However, it is indeed an operating expense.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

In my previous turn, I asked you for technical analyses. You could do all that at the same time.

I have one last quick question, because I have only a minute left.

People always say that there's nothing more permanent than a temporary policy, especially when it's a tax cut. It's always difficult to raise a tax or to restore it.

Have you established criteria that will guide your choice when it comes time to make a new decision, perhaps to extend the relief measure? Are these criteria known?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Absolutely.

You know as well as I do that the world is changing rapidly. There is a lot of volatility and complexity.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

So that applies to the criteria as well.

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

On the one hand, we must be very serious and very cautious. That's what you've been asking of me for some time now, to be very cautious and serious when it comes to managing public finances. So, at every turn, as we assess the situation, we look at the measures available to help Canadians, while being fiscally prudent.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

So what you're telling us is that the criteria that will guide your decision on whether or not to extend this measure will change from day to day, on a piecemeal basis.

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

No, I'm talking about the global context. People at home are able to keep things in perspective. They understand these things.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

They do things, people at home, right?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Yes, people understand. I trust them.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Mr. Garon.

Thank you, Minister.

That concludes the time for this round.

We'll continue now with Ms. Jansen for five minutes, please.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Mr. Minister, when oil prices rise, Canadians pay more at the pumps. Is that correct?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

I think that would be public knowledge. Was that a test or was it...?

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I will ask again. I make these questions as easy as possible.

Minister, when oil prices rise, Canadians pay more at the pumps. Is that correct?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

I would say we're not immune to the rise of external factors that control the price of oil.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Ottawa collects more. Is that correct?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Typically, if the price of a natural resource such as gas goes up, there will be higher revenue.

5:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

All right. Your department says a sustained 10% increase in oil prices adds $2.6 billion in federal revenues in year one. Is that correct?