Evidence of meeting #51 for Finance in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was measure.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

François-Philippe Champagne  Minister of Finance and National Revenue
Lefebvre  Richmond—Arthabaska—des-Sources, CPC
Genest-Grégoire  Assistant Professor, Department of Taxation, Université de Sherbrooke, As an Individual
Au  Associate Professor of Finance, As an Individual
Jarvis  Ontario Director, Canadian Taxpayers Federation
Gagnon  Quebec Director, Canadian Taxpayers Federation

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 51 of the Standing Committee on Finance.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely by using the Zoom application.

Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, June 3, 2026, and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, September 22, 2026, the committee will commence consideration of Bill C-31, a second act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on November 4, 2025.

I would like to welcome our witnesses. We have with us the Honourable François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Finance, and he is joined by assistant deputy minister Maude Lavoie.

With that, Minister, you have five minutes for your opening remarks. Please go ahead.

3:30 p.m.

Saint-Maurice—Champlain Québec

Liberal

François-Philippe Champagne LiberalMinister of Finance and National Revenue

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Good morning, colleagues. It's a pleasure to join you.

Thank you for inviting me to appear before you and to discuss Bill C-31, a second act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on November 4, 2025.

As you are well aware, Canadians continue to face affordability pressures amid an uncertain economic environment, now intensified by new U.S. tariffs on Canadian goods, disrupted global energy supplies and other quickly evolving geopolitical dynamics. The good news, Madam Chair, which you would have seen, is that today the Canada groceries and essentials benefit instalments will be paid, going into the bank accounts of more than 12 million Canadians and helping them to face affordability pressure.

As you would also have seen, our government has taken multiple actions to strengthen Canada's economic resilience, support Canadian workers and businesses, and attract the investment needed to grow our economy and create jobs, as Canadians would expect us to do.

Bill C‑31 helps us shift from ambition to action. It proposes tangible measures to make life more affordable for Canadians today, while creating the conditions to allow businesses to invest, expand and create good jobs here, at home, in Canada.

It is a plan to make Canada the best place to invest, build and create jobs.

We have introduced a number of measures to strengthen tax fairness and integrity, as I'm sure colleagues have seen, in the bill.

Madam Chair, the global challenges we face underscore the importance of encouraging investment, economic growth and competitiveness in Canada. Bill C-31 accomplishes this, in part by taking action on a number of important and targeted tax incentives. For example, the bill would provide temporary immediate expensing for eligible manufacturing and processing buildings—as we call it, the productivity superdeduction. I'm sure every member of this committee has paid attention to that, because this is one of the key elements to create an investment supercycle in our country.

It has been applauded by a number of key business leaders, both here in Canada and around the world. The goal is to allow businesses to recover the cost of new facilities more quickly, strengthening Canada's industrial capacity and encouraging businesses to expand and create jobs here at home. This is a real catalyst to create the kind of investment that we want to see. Madam Chair, as we have said—and I think this committee has been working to look at the productivity and innovation in our country—this is really one tool to achieve that and, as I said, it has been applauded by a number of commentators.

A few weeks ago we decided to go even further, as we have seen, with the productivity mega deduction. The message cannot be clearer: Businesses are looking for places to invest, build new facilities—as we've seen recently with LNG Canada phase two—and create jobs. Canada intends to be at the top of the list, and we have seen many projects being announced recently in our country. We're backing that ambition with targeted support for the industries and technologies that will drive the next generation of growth.

The bill also proposes to expand the investment tax credit for clean hydrogen to include hydrogen produced through methane pyrolysis. This will help attract investment and emerging technologies, and strengthen Canada's clean energy sector.

Bill C‑31 is also about making our tax system fairer.

It includes measures to address inappropriate tax schemes, prevent tax avoidance and limit tax deferral on investment income through multi-tiered corporate structures. I especially want to thank Ms. Lavoie, who has done critical work in this area at the Department of Finance.

The bill also proposes the implementation of new rules requiring certain crypto platforms to report their users' transactions to tax authorities to increase transparency and counteract tax evasion.

Furthermore, amendments to the Global Minimum Tax Act will implement the undertaxed profits rule as part of the broader OECD-led international tax framework.

Taken together, these measures promote growth, fairness and competitiveness across the Canadian economy while ensuring the integrity of our tax system.

Madam Chair, I know my time is limited. I want to say this: The key message we have for Canadians is that we're there for you. We know that affordability is top of mind for everyone watching—the price of food, the price of rent, the price of gas. As you will see in my two hours of testimony today, we've been acting on all fronts to support Canadians.

With that, it would be a pleasure to answer questions from my colleagues. Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

That's great. Thank you very much, Minister. I know five minutes goes very quickly when you have a lot to say.

Mr. Hallan, you're beginning with six minutes, please.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Thank you, Chair. It's good to be back on the finance committee today.

Minister, in 2025, CSIS came out with a report that named India, China and Pakistan as some of the top foreign actors for foreign interference in this country. In clause 78 of this bill, you're expanding the CRA's powers so that Canadians' information can be given to foreign governments at their asking. Why?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Well, the issue is that we have a number of arrangements with tax authorities around the world. This is to ensure tax integration.

I'm sure you would want Canada to be part of the broader—

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Along those lines, Minister—

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

—tax integration.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

We already had that in place, so why are you expanding those powers—

Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON

I have a point of order.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Go ahead, Mr. Turnbull.

Ryan Turnbull Liberal Whitby, ON

Madam Chair, I'm sorry to interrupt. I know it's the member's time, but I ask that we not speak over one another, because of the interpreters. It's really important for them.

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

On a point of order—

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Mr. Turnbull.

Ms. Jansen, is this on the same point of order?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

Yes.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Okay, go ahead.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

I want to make sure that we have the length of the question responded to at the same length.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Yes, we're keeping track of it.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Tamara Jansen Conservative Cloverdale—Langley City, BC

The person has to cut off, rather than—

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Ms. Jansen, we make sure that we have time. I would remind all members and the minister not to speak over one another for the sake of the interpreters and so that everyone can hear.

Go ahead, Monsieur Garon.

Jean-Denis Garon Bloc Mirabel, QC

I have a point of order, more than anything. I would like to know, based on the Standing Orders that govern the committee's work, who is responsible for ensuring that the response times and question times are coordinated? Is it the parliamentary secretary or the chair? I would like to know, according to the Standing Orders, who is responsible for this, so we can make sure everyone is doing their job.

The Chair Liberal Karina Gould

Thank you, Mr. Garon. That's my job.

We will continue now.

Go ahead, Mr. Hallan.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Minister, it's concerning to a lot of Canadians that you've expanded the CRA's powers to give their information to foreign governments without their knowledge when you know full well about the CSIS report that came out in 2025 on the threat of foreign interference. Why would you let foreign governments do that to Canadians on our soil?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

I would say that Canadians are concerned about tax evasion. It's a fraudulent transaction, and they want us to step up. That's what I'm doing with the financial crime agency that we're going to set up, which would mirror the Serious Fraud Office you see in the United Kingdom. We need to be combatting illegal financing and fraud in all forms, and that's what I'm doing as Minister of Finance.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary East, AB

Minister, let me ask you a question and give an example.

We all know about the foreign interference that China is committing. If China were to ask for information on a Canadian who may have spoken out against China here in Canada, how can this Canadian be sure that their information is not being given to China, since you're not going to notify them that their information is going to this foreign actor?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

I appreciate your question, and I would say it's well established in Canada that we co-operate with other agencies around the world to ensure tax integrity. There are a number of safeguards in place to ensure that, and I would say that Canada is seen as probably one of the best organizations when it comes to ensuring—