Finance Committee on Oct. 20th, 2025

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

My question stands. We see B.C. is holding hostage what's in the national interest for the country's betterment in the form of a pipeline. Do you support the constitutional power the federal government has to ensure that national interest project is built?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

Like I said, there's a process to be followed when we're looking at what is a project of national interest. There are many different kinds of projects. I was excited when you saw that there were five projects that were referred to the—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

Minister, respectfully, I will assume that pipelines are not in the national interest, according to your government.

I'll move on. Regarding the job-killing oil and gas cap your government has put in place, do you know how many jobs it's going to kill?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

When we're talking about the draft regulations for an oil and gas cap, there was a draft regulation that was tabled at the end of last year. It went through a consultation period—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

What's the number, Minister? How many jobs will be lost with this oil and gas cap?

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

I have a point of order.

Chair, I want to ask if maybe the member wouldn't speak over the witness. I know the minister is trying to answer his questions. He's done that repeatedly.

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

She won't answer.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

The interpreters often find that very hard to interpret. It's even hard for us to hear what's going on, especially if you're a French language speaker and you want to hear the translation. It's hard to make out what's being said.

Thanks.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you, Mr. Turnbull.

I'll remind all members that, for the sake of interpretation, we don't speak over each other.

Thank you very much.

Mr. Hallan, please go ahead.

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

The minister refuses to answer any questions. It's over 100,000 jobs that your oil and gas cap will kill, and it will kill around $1 trillion.

We've seen over the last 10 years that your government has driven away half a trillion dollars of investment already because of bills like Bill C-69, this oil and gas cap and your industrial carbon tax.

Minister—

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

I have a point of order.

I'm sorry to interrupt again.

We're moving to clause-by-clause, I believe, in our next meeting. The member's not asking any questions that are relevant to the bill in question. Bill C-4 is a bill that includes repealing the consumer carbon tax, which doesn't have anything to do with what the member is asking about.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you, Mr. Turnbull.

We'll have Mr. Kelly and then Monsieur Garon on the same point of order.

[Pat Kelly, Conservative, Calgary Crowfoot, AB]

The member is burning the minister's time. The member can ask whatever questions he wants that she engages on, and she has engaged on this line of questioning.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

Mr. Garon, go ahead.

[Jean-Denis Garon, Bloc, Mirabel, QC]

Madam Chair, I understand that my colleague is trying to defend the minister. She is perfectly capable of answering for herself.

I urge you to give us some leeway for a very simple reason.

Bill C‑4 talks about eliminating the consumer carbon tax. That was an integral part of the government's climate change strategy. If we, the members of the committee, have to make decisions, in a clause-by-clause study of Bill C‑4, we need to know the government's intentions on major projects that it describes as “national”, on pipelines, on other energy policies and on the operation of other policies.

How can committee members vote on Bill C‑4, which is part of a larger puzzle, without being able to ask about the other pieces?

Therefore, I would invite my colleague to sit in his chair and listen to the minister, who is excellent today, answer. I also invite him to let the opposition members ask their questions.

[The Chair, Liberal, Karina Gould]

Thank you, Mr. Garon.

Mr. Hallan, please continue.

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

I have a carbon tax question, Minister.

On the carbon tax 2.0, which has no rebate and which you guys hid under the name “clean fuel standard”, can you please let this committee and Canadians know how much extra on a litre of gas it will cost them?

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

First, I want to be really clear that the clean fuel regulations are not a carbon tax. It drives billions of dollars in innovation.

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

It also drives billions of dollars away from Canada.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

I will continue to answer the question.

It sets us up for a strong low-carbon economy—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

How much extra will it cost Canadians on a litre of gas by 2030? Just give us a number.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

One thing I find interesting is that you keep referring to it as a tax, and I want to be clear about that—

[Jasraj Singh Hallan, Conservative, Calgary East, AB]

Minister, since you're not going to—

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

I have a point of order.

[Julie Dabrusin, Liberal, Toronto—Danforth, ON]

I absolutely would like to tell you something about what the canola—