Evidence of meeting #19 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was dfo.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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Daniel Landry  Fisheries Advisor, Acadian Regional Federation of Professional Fishermen Inc.
Inka Milewski  Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gerald Keddy

I call the meeting to order, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the study on the Bennett environmental toxic waste incinerator in Belledune, New Brunswick. We have reduced quorum and we will try to get started, because I am expecting the rest of our members will be here ASAP.

I'd like to welcome our witnesses. We have with us Daniel Landry, from the Acadian Regional Federation of Professional Fishermen, and Inka Milewski, past president and science adviser for the Conservation Council of New Brunswick.

Welcome. I would ask you to go ahead with your presentation. Try to keep it within the time restraints if you can, and I would ask you to try to stay as much as possible--I realize this is a wide-ranging subject--to issues that are more concerned with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, if possible.

Merci.

11:10 a.m.

Daniel Landry Fisheries Advisor, Acadian Regional Federation of Professional Fishermen Inc.

My presentation will be in French.

First, I would like to thank the committee for having us. The Acadian Regional Federation of Professional Fishermen is made up of the members of the Association des pêcheurs professionnels membres d’équipage, the Association professionnelle des crabiers acadiens, the Association des crevettiers acadiens du Golfe and the Association des senneurs du Golfe. Our fishermen have joined forces for more than 40 years to represent shared interests in scientific research geared to protecting and preserving marine species and their habitats.

Like all groups living around the Baie des Chaleurs, fishermen are deeply concerned about the construction of the Bennett Environmental contaminated-soil incinerator near the Bay. We are afraid that there has not been sufficient study of the risk of contamination to the Bay and the species harvested there. We find it difficult to understand why it is so complicated for an ordinary citizen to build a chalet at the edge of the water yet so easy to set up a plant that is as potentially dangerous for the environment as the Bennett Environmental plant is. We also do not understand why concerned groups are having such difficulty getting an environmental impact assessment conducted. Given the scope of the economic impact of this project on the Baie des Chaleurs, we believe that an environmental impact assessment is needed. Furthermore, such an assessment should also take into consideration the project’s social and economic impact on our communities, where there is already a job shortage.

We are aware that our region has one of the lowest income rates in the country and a very high rate of illiteracy, which makes us an ideal candidate for this type of high-risk industry. However, we are also keenly aware of the importance of a healthy environment, since our survival has depended on the fishing and seafood-processing industry for more than 400 years.

According to University of Moncton economist Maurice Beaudin, the fishing industry accounts for 22 per cent of jobs and 23 per cent of employment income in the Acadian Peninsula. There are approximately 55,000 of us in the Acadian Peninsula. This represents a rather large number of jobs and a substantial economic contribution.

In contrast, the Bennett plant is expected to create 32 jobs. For how long? Given the contamination of the St. Ambroise site in Quebec, there is reason to wonder how long the government will allow such a plant, which contaminates and pollutes the surrounding area, to operate. Clearly, this industry is incompatible with the environment.

Agriculture, Fisheries and Aquaculture New Brunswick’s 2004 industry report—the most recent statistics—indicates that seafood makes up 82.11 per cent of total exports to the United States. Of that number, herring, crab and lobster—the main species harvested in the Baie des Chaleurs — account for 69 per cent of exports to the United States and are worth $560 million annually.

Americans are known to monitor the quality of imported products very closely. By sending their contaminated soil to Belledune, our neighbours to the south will know better than anyone else what toxic contaminants are being treated at the Bennett plant. They will be watching the quality of our seafood products very closely and impose an embargo on imports at the slightest trace of contamination.

The new bioterrorism measures being adopted by the US government include substances, such as BPCs, dioxins and furans, that will be monitored and tested in fish samples. According to the current draft of Bennett’s operating permit, New Brunswick could allow Bennett to burn up to three tonnes of BPCs annually and 10 tonnes of chlorinated hydrocarbons. These substances will be incinerated and will come from contaminated soil.

Bennett would also be authorized to incinerate dioxins and furans of a certain concentration level. If a single fish specimen was found to contain toxic substances above the US standards, we could find ourselves in a situation similar to the mad cow scenario, which led to bankruptcy for many producers.

Fishers have few means at their disposal to force Bennett to prove that it takes the matter seriously and show its ability to rectify errors and compensate others who use the Baie des Chaleurs, in the event of contamination.

Some of the information circulated in the media casts doubt on Bennett’s honesty and credit worthiness, and this does not reassure fishermen.

A number of questions are being asked. What impact will the emissions from contaminants have on fish habitats? What are the dangers of dioxins and furans for humans and fish? What about the bioaccumulation of these substances in fish and the environment? Why is Fisheries and Oceans Canada not intervening to protect the damaged fish habitats of the Belledune area? What is the likelihood of an accident during shipping of contaminated soil? Who will compensate us? Who is going to want to buy our businesses?

Our job as fishermen is to supply fish-processing plants, within a protection and conservation framework created in co-operation with Fisheries and Oceans Canada. That framework includes the At-Sea Observer Program, the Dockside Monitoring Program, the keeping of ship’s logs and even the installation of black boxes.

Needless to say, all of these measures are expensive for our fishermen and stem from F&O's desire to develop co-management and shared stewardship arrangements with fishermen.

Fisheries and Oceans Canada’s commitment is to enforce the protection and conservation conditions. Since fishermen are being closely watched, we demand the same treatment for Bennett Environmental, and all other industries, enterprises and users in Canadian waters.

The Department of Fisheries and Oceans has a legal obligation under Section 36 of the Fisheries Act to protect fish habitats from contamination. We ask the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans for help in urging F&O to fully assume its responsibilities with regard to the Bennett Environmental plant in Belledune, New Brunswick.

Finally, we request a full environmental assessment of the impact on the Baie des Chaleurs of Bennett Environmental’s planned incinerator of soil contaminated by toxic waste. We also request a moratorium on the proposed plant and ask F&O to protect the fish habitats from the dangers associated with the incinerator.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gerald Keddy

Thank you, Mr. Landry.

Mrs. Milewski.

11:15 a.m.

Inka Milewski Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Good morning.

On behalf of the Conservation Council of New Brunswick, Mr. Chairman, I would like to thank the committee for inviting us to participate. But particularly, I'd like to thank the honourable member from the Bloc Québécois for the Gaspésie—Îles-de-la-Madeleine area, Mr. Blais. Thank you.

I would like to frame my comments on the Bennett incinerator project in Belledune in the context of DFO's record in the Baie des Chaleurs, and particularly in Belledune, and the plan DFO has to modernize its habitat management program.

This plan is part of a government-wide initiative called “smart regulations” aimed at streamlining the regulatory system. As you've just heard from Mr. Landry, the fish resources of the Baie des Chaleurs have supported and have sustained hundreds of communities and thousands of people in Quebec and New Brunswick. The Baie des Chaleurs is part of a larger ecosystem, part of the St. Lawrence estuary, the southern Gulf of St. Lawrence ecosystem. It's a relatively deep bay. It's approximately 120 kilometres long and 40 kilometres wide at its maximum width. On average, less than 20 kilometres separate New Brunswick from Quebec, from the Gaspé coast.

A unique feature of the Baie des Chaleurs is a gyre. It's the result of two opposing currents that come into the bay and currents that go out of the bay to create a counter-clockwise current, or a gyre. It's a unique oceanographic feature in the world. There are not many of them around. Where these gyres exist there are areas of high fish productivity. These gyres tend to concentrate nutrients, larvae, plankton, eggs, which in turn attract food and are food for larger commercial species, as you've just heard. The gyre also traps contaminants, and it prevents a significant portion of the contaminants that come into the bay from industrial activity around the bay from leaving and going out into the larger ecosystem.

As a deep-water bay that could accommodate a wide range of shipping activity, the Baie des Chaleurs became not surprisingly an ideal location for industrial development. And nowhere along the shores of the Baie des Chaleurs has that industrial activity been as great as in Belledune in New Brunswick.

For 40 years, Belledune has been the site of a lead smelter, an acid plant, and until recently a fertilizer plant, a gypsum plant. In 1994 a coal-fired power plant was added to this industrial mix in this very tiny village. In 1981 plans were approved for a zinc smelter. It got under way, but the metal prices fell and as a result the project was called to a halt. Now, two years after the fertilizer plant associated with the smelter began operating, DFO scientists reported that due to the effluent at the end of this fertilizer plant's pipe, which is into the bay, a 200-square-metre area of the sea bottom had been basically covered with the waste from the fertilizer plant, which is calcium sulphate or gypsum.

By 1985 the effluent covered 31 hectares. By 1996 the effluent covered 44 hectares and had a volume of a million cubic metres. In some areas the waste gypsum was 12 metres deep. Today the gypsum that covers the sea bottom at the end of the effluent pipe looks like it's been paved with concrete.

In 1980 the lobsters and the mussels in the Belledune area and at least eight kilometres down current from the Belledune area were found to have high levels of cadmium and lead, above Health Canada guidelines. The metals were identified as coming from the lead smelter. There was no question of that. There was a ban on lobster fishing in Belledune harbour and the lagoon was put in place. That ban is still in place, and the lobsters caught in the lagoon and in the harbour area are incinerated.

By 1984 Environment Canada was calling the Belledune area one of the most contaminated areas in Atlantic Canada. In 1988 federal scientists identified high mercury and cadmium levels in the sediments in the area of the gyre I talked about. From 1979 to 2001 the effluent from the smelter failed every single toxicity test under the metal mining effluent regulations under the Fisheries Act. In 1998-99 the Geological Survey of Canada did an assessment of the sediments in the entire Baie des Chaleurs, and the researchers concluded, and I am quoting:

Dispersion of smelter emissions by wind and ocean currents has resulted in an area of elevated metal concentrations in surface sediments that extends at least 20 km from the smelter.

So the marine sediments in the entire Baie des Chaleurs area have been elevated three to four times above background concentrations.

In 2004, 15 years after consultants estimated how many fish and fish larvae—baby fish—would be sucked into the intake pipe of the then-proposed power plant and killed, they finally did a study to estimate how many really are sucked in and killed by the intake. It's a cooling water that comes into the power plant to cool the plant.

As it turns out, their estimates were out by almost 700%. Instead of 8.1 million larvae being sucked in and killed, 54 million baby fish—larvae—are killed on the intake pipe of the power plant annually. Now, this is only an estimate based on five-months' worth of sampling. That number could be much higher. But in addition, they also estimated that 370 million eggs are sucked into the intake plant and 12,000 fish are destroyed.

Just 40 miles up the coast from Belledune is another power plant, and we have no idea how many numbers of fish, larval fish and eggs, are impinged and entrained—those are the technical terms—on the intake pipe of that particular power plant.

In 2005, after the Belledune area health study revealed that seafood consumption, specifically mussels, was one of the main pathways of exposure to metals and a significant contributor to the high cancer and disease rates of local residents in the area, DFO placed a ban on shellfish harvesting near Belledune. This was the first time in 40 years they had placed such a ban in an area because of metal contamination.

I think you will all agree that the failure to protect fish and fish habitat in Belledune and the Baie des Chaleurs by DFO and other agencies has been a stunning failure. How was this allowed to happen when so many federal and provincial agencies had such complete regulatory authority over the industries in Belledune? How could federal and provincial regulators so completely ignore the existing contamination in Belledune and allow a hazardous waste incinerator to be built in the area?

The answer to the first question can be found in a report I sent to every member of the committee. The French translation was sent Tuesday to the clerk, and I hope it's been distributed as well. If you look in chapter 3 and chapter 9 of that document, it specifically talks about the Baie des Chaleurs and the fish resources and fish habitat there. Throughout Belledune's 40-year industrial history, federal and provincial government planners, scientists, and managers reviewed the environmental impact statements for various projects, and they discussed the monitoring results done by industry. They noted the violations of provincial and federal air, water, soil, marine habitat, and food standards and guidelines.

Over those four decades respective ministers of federal and provincial agencies failed to impose sanctions, restrictions, or penalties when these industries were found to be violating air, water, habitat regulation and effluent standards, when leaks and spills occurred and monitoring equipment wasn't working. Throughout the 40-year history of Belledune none of these industries were ever sanctioned, prosecuted, or fined under section 32, section 35, and section 36 of the Fisheries Act. Simply put, the laws were never enforced.

The answer to the second question, how could another potentially polluting industry pass unchallenged by federal regulators, particularly DFO, is equally simple. DFO and government agencies failed to acknowledge the existing destruction and pollution burden in the area, and they had failed to do so for 40 years. They failed to assess the full range of possible environmental risks from the incinerators, specifically emissions from the facility, their potential deposition to the marine environment, and the possible transboundary effects of those emissions.

DFO officials were too preoccupied with applying a very limited interpretation of their mandate: effluent pipes, water courses, and waste water use. To consider pollutants released to the atmosphere and the potential effect on the marine environment was not even on their radar screen. In fact, even before all the questions that DFO officials had about this project were answered, the province had already issued a permit to construct and the building was under way.

Short-range and long-range transport of atmospheric contaminants and their deposition into the marine environment are an acknowledged pathway by which contaminants get into the marine environment. For example, we know that in the Arctic marine food chain the contaminants in those fish and whales and people are a result of atmospheric deposition from sources thousands of kilometres away.

The specific concerns that residents and fishermen have about the Bennett facility was the release of dioxins and furans, the most toxic man-made substance known to humans. Levels measured in quantities as small as 30 parts per trillion have been known to cause developmental effects in embryonic fish. One part per trillion is one grain of salt dissolved in an Olympic-sized swimming pool. These are concentrations of, really, unimaginably small amounts, and it's why people are concerned. The greatest source of dioxins, perhaps the most hazardous types of dioxins, are industrial municipal waste incinerators.

The Bennett facility, which, as you heard, does not have a permit to operate, is licensed to burn hydrocarbons and creosote, and a small amount of these chlorinated hydrocarbons like PCBs. Again, these numbers seem small to you. It's only 33 parts per million PCBs, but over the course of the year this amounts to three tonnes of PCBs. The reason people are concerned and we are concerned is that it is these chlorinated compounds that are the precursor or the necessary ingredient for the formation of dioxins and furans in the incineration process. When you put these soils through the facility, and mix them up with other contaminants at high temperature, you get dioxin formation.

We're being asked to believe that the pollution control devices that are on this facility are sufficient to prevent those dioxins from coming out of the stack. You just have to look at the case in St. Ambroise to understand why we have no faith in those pollution control devices.

So the specific concern about the fishing community and about these dioxins getting into the food chain and putting in jeopardy their fishery is very real. Food safety is becoming an increasingly important issue for consumers, and there are several examples in recent years where governments have reacted swiftly with bans and shutting down operations where products have been found to be contaminated.

For example, in 2004 the Dutch Ministry of Agriculture shut down temporarily 140 farms after cancer-causing dioxins were found in the milk of just two of those farms. The source of the dioxin was a potato byproduct, something that came out of a french fry manufacturing plant. The waste potato peels were then shipped and fed to these animals, and that's how it got into the food chain. So you can see how these things accumulate.

Just last week, CBC--

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gerald Keddy

I'm going to ask you to try to--

11:30 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Inka Milewski

I'm going to wrap it up.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gerald Keddy

Because you're at 15 minutes, and I will warn you that for our interpreters, with phones ringing and BlackBerries going off, it's very difficult on their earpieces, and they have been known to get violent when that happens.

11:30 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Inka Milewski

All right. In fact, I'm just wrapping up.

So I won't go into the other example. In the case of Bennett in Belledune, it seems that neither the federal nor provincial government wanted to take responsibility for assessing the potential impacts of atmospheric depositions from this facility. Environment Canada eventually stepped in, but by then it was too late.

This brings me to DFO's proposed environmental process, modernization plan. This plan is underpinned by a risk assessment framework. Basically, projects are assessed on the basis of whether the project is a low, medium, or high risk to fish habitat.

It's not clear how DFO would have assessed the Bennett project under this risk assessment management framework, but given DFO's past record on this file, chances are that atmospheric deposition of contaminants would not be viewed as having an impact on fish habitat at all.

To say that the Bennett project simply fell between the regulatory cracks is an understatement. It is simply one project of a long line of regulatory failures in Belledune. So when DFO officials come before you to explain their new habitat management, ask them the tough questions. Ask them how their risk assessment approach would capture what their risk management framework calls the “subtle effects” of human activity, when their low, medium, high risk scale of impacts is such a coarse and subjective filter for screening projects.

Ask them how DFO intends to investigate the subtle, less obvious impacts of human activities. Ask them why the department is willing to trade off fish habitat that has taken thousands of years to mature for the creation of artificial habitats.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gerald Keddy

I appreciate all this, but I'm going to ask you to wrap up, please.

11:35 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Inka Milewski

I'm wrapping.

And finally, I want you to ask them if they take any responsibility for the destruction of fish and fish habitat in Belledune.

Thank you.

11:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gerald Keddy

Thank you very much. This was a very good presentation.

We'll take our first questioner: Mr. MacAulay.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you for coming. I must say you didn't hold anything back. You were pretty emphatic. You laid it out as you see it.

I'd like you to continue on the risk assessment at DFO. That can't do anything for the situation right now.

11:35 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

But you don't feel that this new risk assessment would have been of any value in stopping what took place, in any of the situations?

11:35 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

And if you don't, is it just lack of government will on all sides? What needs to be done in order to ensure that the likes of this does not happen?

11:35 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Inka Milewski

You have to understand what the risk assessment process is all about.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

In my opinion, it should be to make sure that the likes of.... I'm not saying everything you said is gospel, but the fact is you certainly believe it, and you're basing it on some fact. There has to be some way to deal with those situations, hopefully some attempt or there's something going to be put in place to make sure.... We don't want to destroy our environment. Surely we don't want to destroy our environment everywhere.

11:35 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Inka Milewski

First of all, you need to understand that the risk assessment approach, that method, is more of a political process and a policy process than it is a science process.

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

Does it not take any scientific view, or any risk assessment view, or see what professionals or scientists would give as information?

11:35 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Inka Milewski

We've had risk assessment—the really numerical models that try to estimate, to envision what the impact of a certain activity might be on the environment. There are so many uncertainties. Risk assessment methodologies started out, and this is where they have their history, in figuring out whether bridges are going to collapse or not. So—

11:35 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

But can I ask you to refer to...? You were talking about the intake pipe at the plant and the desperate destruction of fingerlings. You might put that in as a—

11:35 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Inka Milewski

Well, that's a really good example, because risk assessment tries to control the damage but not prevent the damage, and that's the distinction. Risk assessments are about controlling as opposed to preventing.

The question is what alternative technologies there are in place. What's not required as part of the risk assessment process is to look at alternative, safer ways of drawing in that water. It's not a requirement under the risk assessment method.

That would be under a new method, and one of the recommendations I have is to take what's called a precautionary approach to managing potential projects. The risk assessment method really is trying to control or minimize the damage, not eliminate it, and I think what we need to be looking at is preventing, not minimizing or just trying to control it.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Lawrence MacAulay Liberal Cardigan, PE

But you also spoke about the effluent, and the pipe, and the destruction. I'm very interested in the fishery, of course, and there are plants on Prince Edward Island too that some people have indicated have caused some difficulty. You're talking about the destruction at the end of the pipe.

11:40 a.m.

Science Advisor, Conservation Council of New Brunswick Inc.

Inka Milewski

Yes, absolutely.