Evidence of meeting #29 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was wild.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ruth Salmon  Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance
Clare Backman  Sustainability Director, Marine Harvest Canada, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance
Richard Harry  President, Aboriginal Aquaculture Association
John Fraser  Chair, former British Columbia Pacific Salmon Forum, As an Individual
Jon O'Riordan  Science Research Coordinator, former British Columbia Pacific Salmon Forum, As an Individual

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

I call this meeting to order.

I'd like to take the opportunity this morning to welcome our guests. We have Ruth Salmon, the executive director of the Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance, with Clare Backman from Marine Harvest Canada, a familiar face at the table here, joining her this morning.

Thank you very much for coming to appear before our committee this morning. We look forward to hearing from you.

As you know, we've been studying aquaculture on the west coast and its impact on the wild Pacific salmon. I'm sure you've been following the committee's proceedings carefully and closely.

Generally, the way our committee works is that we allow ten minutes for presentations and then move into questions and answers. There are certain time constraints around our members. They try to pack as many questions as they can into that timeframe, and some go beyond. I try to discourage that as much as possible, in the interest of fairness to all. But I tend to be a little lenient, with our guests more than with our members.

You'll hear a little beeping noise up here. That's the timer. I'd ask you, if you hear that, to try to bring your thoughts to a conclusion as soon as possible following hearing those alarm sounds.

If you want to make your opening comments, Ruth, you can please proceed.

8:55 a.m.

Ruth Salmon Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you very much for the opportunity to be here this morning. We really appreciate it.

As Rodney said, the Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance is a national organization. We represent the majority of finfish and shellfish suppliers, processors, and feed companies across Canada. It's a great pleasure to be here today.

We know that your focus is on the B.C. issues, and we'll certainly be addressing that this morning. But I want to take a step back and take a bit of a broader look at aquaculture, because I think that is really important to set our discussion in context.

My presentation is probably a little more than ten minutes, so I'll try to hit the highlights.

The global demand for finfish and shellfish is growing by 7% to 9% per year, yet the traditional capture fisheries meet less than half the current demand for seafood. According to the UN, global demand for fish is going to reach 150 million to 160 million tonnes by 2030, approximately 40 million tonnes more than the current supply. The capture fisheries can only provide 80 million to 100 million tonnes of that on a sustainable basis. So without aquaculture, a global shortfall of approximately 50 million to 80 million tonnes of fish and seafood is projected.

I think that's important to think about, because Canada is uniquely positioned to capitalize on this increasing demand by growing its aquaculture industry in a sustainable way that will benefit hundreds of coastal, rural, and aboriginal communities.

According to the Earth Policy Institute, the global wild fish catch peaked in the year 2000 at 96 million tonnes and has been falling ever since. The graph in our document illustrates how output from the world's wild fisheries is in decline, while aquaculture is taking up the shortfall.

Now that we've looked at the global picture, I want to spend a minute talking about Canada's aquaculture industry. The Department of Fisheries and Oceans did a socio-economic study on the industry this past spring to show that we generate $2.1 billion for our national economy, employ 15,000 people in all ten provinces and the Yukon, and account for one-third of the total value of Canada's fisheries production. Because of that, we've really become a significant economic driver for Canada.

Our operations have brought hope to a number of coastal, rural, and aboriginal communities, such as the Kitasoo and Ahousaht first nations. Many of these communities, as you know, face huge economic challenges because of the decline in the forestry and the wild fishery, so aquaculture has been a real boon to those communities.

The interesting thing about this report is that it goes on to talk about aquaculture as being important all across Canada. Aquaculture in one province triggers economic activity in every other province, providing opportunities for all Canadians. For example, the report showed that B.C. triggers an economic value of $1.2 billion across the rest of Canada, and New Brunswick triggers approximately $590 million in the rest of Canada. So we're connected. Wherever operations exist, they have impact across the country.

Even given all of this great news, we're only representing a modest 0.2% of the global production, so Canada is really a very small player in the global scene, despite having all of the preconditions for success. I probably don't need to tell you this, since this is your expertise, but we have the world's longest coastline, the largest tidal range, and the largest freshwater system; the aquaculture industry has skilled managers and employees; we have excellent proximity to markets, which puts us in an enviable position—the U.S. is one of the major seafood markets. And if you talk to your colleagues in Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, they'll tell you that we have an excellent reputation for quality, availability, and safety of our products. So we have an excellent reputation internationally.

Aquaculture practices in Canada, while they're under great scrutiny, are equal to or surpass any in the world when it comes to sustainability. We have skilled scientists; we have access to world-class research facilities. I know that Trevor Swerdfager was talking to you on Tuesday about DFO's increased commitment to research and their increased funding of scientists. This is what has made, and is going to make, this industry even stronger.

So the demand is there; the conditions for sustainable expansion and growth are there. We could be a world leader and we could be a much more significant economic driver for Canada than we are today.

We have a very diverse industry in Canada that we're proud of. You all know that farmed salmon is our number one species in terms of volume--66.7% of all the aquaculture production in Canada is farmed salmon--but that's followed by mussels, oysters, and trout. We also produce Arctic char, sablefish, scallops, and clams. Cod and halibut and other species are in more of the developmental phase.

A chart in the document that we've left for you shows what we produce in every province, so you can look at the province that you represent and see what farmed seafood comes from that province.

So how are we going to move forward and take advantage of our potential? I truly believe, and my association does as well, that the most critical need that our industry has right now is the need for federal legislation for aquaculture. The need for a federal aquaculture act has probably become more apparent in the last year than ever before, and this is because DFO is working on developing regulations under the Fisheries Act in British Columbia. They're doing a great job, but they're working under a fisheries act that was not meant for aquaculture: it's meant for wildlife management. It isn't referencing food production or farming, and that's what this industry is all about.

We are no longer an R and D project. We are a significant food production sector, and we need to be recognized as that. Our normal farm practices, our husbandry practices, need to be recognized. We need to be provided with legislative certainty, which is then going to bring increased investment and jobs.

An aquaculture act would provide the legislative certainty that we need to move forward. All the other countries with successful aquaculture industries--Chile, Norway, Scotland, Tasmania, Ireland--have legislation that supports or enables aquaculture. Even the U.S. has a National Aquaculture Act to encourage the development of aquaculture in the United States.

But legislation wouldn't be a free ride. It would outline our roles, our rights, our responsibilities, and it would be developed by stakeholders in partnership with government.

How do we reach our potential? For Canada to be a global leader--and I really believe we could be--the way forward is very clear: we need a federal aquaculture act that enables Canada's industry, builds on the upcoming common-sense regulatory changes that are happening in British Columbia, gives certainty to our industry, and enables producers to create jobs and attract investment.

After that little bit of discussion on aquaculture, let's talk about the B.C. story.

I think we need to start looking at the whole salmon farming controversy. Current public attitudes towards aquaculture in British Columbia have been influenced by exposure to a decade of information designed to maintain controversy about the environmental impacts of salmon farming. It has been designed to maintain controversy. Over the past decade improved technologies in farming practices have largely mitigated any real environmental concerns associated with salmon farming. This industry is on a road of continual improvement, but that isn't recognized. The information campaigns by environmental groups continue to promote outdated messages.

Let's just take sea lice, for example, as I know that's one of the issues that you were looking at in British Columbia. The current reality--not what you read in the media--is that sea lice management on B.C. farmed salmon demonstrates tight year-round control on sea lice levels, with even greater vigilance during the spring months when juvenile wild salmon may be at risk. Testing has shown that sea lice levels on both wild and farmed salmon in British Columbia have been declining over the past five years. Extensive research, monitoring, and reporting continue to ensure that sea lice from salmon farms are not posing a threat to wild stocks.

Sea lice are a naturally occurring organism in the Pacific Ocean. They reside on salmon, herring, stickleback, and other marine fish. To minimize opportunities for lice from farmed salmon to transfer to wild salmon, lice levels at B.C. salmon farms are regulated and monitored on an ongoing basis.

We monitor monthly, and in the spring months when the juvenile salmon could be travelling past farms, we increase that level of scrutiny to every two weeks.

Once sea lice levels reach the very low level of three lice per fish, the site must be treated with a veterinary-prescribed medicine to eliminate the parasite. This management technique has proven to be extremely effective for controlling sea lice on farmed fish.

Most importantly, in addition to the monitoring and the regulatory control, industry is working together to responsibly manage production areas between companies. So there is cooperation and collaboration.

I want to talk a little bit about the pink salmon return, because I know that's another issue you're looking at.

Activists predicted that salmon farms would decimate wild pink salmon populations in British Columbia, using predictive mathematical models as they did with their sea lice research. Similar models were also used to predict increases in cod populations in the 1980s on the east coast and were woefully inaccurate. Yet the highest returns of wild pink salmon ever recorded in the Broughton Archipelago, which is the area of most concern and focus in British Columbia, occurred in 2000 and 2001, more than a decade after the start of salmon farming in that area.

Activists attribute the relative population declines in 2002 and 2003 to salmon farms; however, two separate papers by distinguished researchers explain that following periods of abundance, pink salmon populations typically fall to low levels, and in most cases the populations then gradually increase to begin the cycle again.

So the predicted decimation of wild pink salmon due to sea lice from salmon farms simply has not occurred.

Then, when we look at the Fraser River sockeye, the low return of Fraser River sockeye in 2009 generated concern among all stakeholders, a concern that has only been eased by the century-high return in 2010. The challenges faced by the Fraser River sockeye parallel Pacific salmon returns along the entire west coast of North America.

B.C. salmon farmers share the concern for the survival of wild Pacific salmon, but disagree with those who conclude that salmon farming is responsible for these declines. The high and low returns of 2010 and 2009, during which time salmon farming practices remained relatively consistent, reveal that there is much more that needs to be considered when discussing wild salmon survival. Blaming salmon farming operations for declining wild stocks may be convenient, but it is irresponsible. There are many other opportunities and issues that need to be addressed; I'm sure this will come forward in the Cohen inquiry.

When sockeye pass salmon farms, more than ten years of reports from fisheries regulators inform us that they are not being exposed to any exotic diseases or masses of unhealthy fish. B.C.'s farmed salmon are very healthy. Vaccinations and good husbandry have led to this, and in fact, on average, a 95% survival rate on farms is what we're seeing. Farmed fish are monitored constantly and routinely tested. B.C.'s fish health records are excellent, and the industry is being responsible.

More studies are needed to define factors that are affecting wild salmon populations along the entire Pacific coast of North America. B.C. salmon farmers are participating and will continue to participate in these ongoing research efforts.

The last topic I want to raise with you, because I know it's another one that you're interested in, is closed containment. I'll say a couple of words and I know that Clare would like to add some of his comments here as well.

Salmon farmers are committed to growing healthy, sustainable protein, as are other farmers. Our industry is looking for ways to improve, and investigating closed containment is part of that search. Salmon spend a third of their lives in recirculation systems on land, so our growers are already very knowledgeable about closed containment systems.

A 2008 study done by DFO did a review of 40 closed containment projects from around the world, and no viable system was found to be producing exclusively Atlantic salmon from egg to plate. Problems were related to mechanical issues, poor fish health, management, and financing. There are some small-scale closed containment projects that have produced specialty products. However, estimates suggest that moving the existing B.C. net-pen industry onto land would appear to require a large coastal land area equivalent to about 750 football fields. The cost would be prohibitive.

The carbon footprint of on-land projects also appears to regress sustainability, since facilities would run on diesel generators or have to be moved close to urban centres to access power. I think this is a really important point, because our industry is focused on social, economic, and environmental sustainability, and if we move the industry onto land, we no longer have coastal employment, which in those areas is much needed and is critical for Canada's future. The social sustainability of our industry would basically be gone.

Also, fish would live in more confined spaces and, due to the constant water circulation that's required, would not be able to rest as they do in the ocean environment. The peer-reviewed science study from DFO identified that fish health would be compromised in land-based systems, further reducing profitability. Even so, the challenges of raising salmon in B.C.'s marine environment have led several operators to investigate closed systems that would offer protection from this risk. This research continues to this present day, with one major B.C. producer exploring the feasibility of growing salmon to market size in closed tanks with recirculating water systems.

Canada's aquaculture industry has always adapted to new technology and will continue to adopt best practices to grow healthy protein as sustainably as possible. However, we believe we have demonstrated that we can grow Atlantic salmon in their natural environment with minimal impact on wild stocks or habitat.

Clare, did you have a couple of comments?

9:10 a.m.

Clare Backman Sustainability Director, Marine Harvest Canada, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

I'll be very brief. I realize we're running short on time.

I just wanted to add to the discussion about the closed containment pilot project that has been mentioned to the committee a couple of times in past presentations. This is the Marine Harvest commitment to learning more about the status of closed containment and what it can do for the commercial production of farmed salmon.

I'd just like to say that it is true that most of the large-scale production attempts have not met with success, but that doesn't mean we're not committed to continuing to investigate how we can move this technology forward.

One of the key things that has happened in the past is that if these projects haven't continued, we have no data to look at. We have no way to build on the experience. What Marine Harvest's pilot project intends to do is to document all of the information about the project's construction and operation, as well as the quality of the fish as they go through a recirculating aquaculture systems project. It will be successful. We are already using these projects in British Columbia. We already have experience with this technology. What we need is to have solid documentation that we can bring into the mix so that everyone can learn about how we can take this technology forward.

This project is in the design phase of development at this point in time. We've been working very closely with environmental groups in British Columbia over a period of five or six years. We're currently at a point of developing project funding, both internal and external, and I would ask that the federal government consider extending support for this project as we bring it forward.

I said I'd be brief, so I'll just finally mention that we have one other call for federal support in British Columbia. Ruth has mentioned that we have good control over sea lice. We have achieved that control by using one product in the ocean; that good control is a result of the careful and judicious use of the product SLICE, but we need access to other therapeutants and other products in order to continue to have effective sea lice control in the ocean as we go forward. We need federal support for developing additional products for a full and integrated pest management plan.

That said, I'll go back to you, Ruth.

9:15 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Ruth Salmon

Thanks, Clare, for adding those good comments.

To wrap up, I just want to say that countries are increasingly turning to aquaculture to relieve the pressure on wild stocks and to grow healthy and affordable seafood. Canada is poised to become a world leader, yet some misguided public and political opposition means that our growers can't meet the demand for our product.

I really thank you for the opportunity to be here today, but I do encourage you to step back from the heat of the controversy to see the big picture. Aquaculture is the industry of the future. It's time that we gave it the support it deserves. It will be of significant benefit to all Canadians.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

Thank you.

Ms. Murray.

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Thank you.

We appreciate your being here to help us understand this complicated issue.

I have three questions. First, I'm just going to say that I appreciate your comments about the economic importance of the industry, especially in British Columbia but also in other places, and that the aboriginal employment in remote communities has been hugely beneficial to the health of those communities. But of course I have some concerns about the industry.

One question I have relates to the Broughton Archipelago and the post-monitoring system that's managed through the Vancouver Aquarium. I've seen results that confirm what you noted, that there's a complicated set of factors affecting the trends for declining sockeye salmon. But the results appear to show that as the salmon go past the Broughton Archipelago there is a significant drop-off in their numbers, according to the monitoring. There are other drop-offs at other places. This suggests that there is something happening that really significantly affects their numbers in that area. The Fraser report called for some experimenting with shutting down the channels in the Broughton Archipelago and getting some better data on this.

Could you tell me the progress of those experiments, and, if they haven't taken place, tell me why not?

9:15 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Ruth Salmon

As a company, Marine Harvest Canada operates a number of farms in the Broughton Archipelago.

Clare, maybe you could handle that question.

9:15 a.m.

Sustainability Director, Marine Harvest Canada, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Clare Backman

We've been looking with great interest at the results of the post-monitoring system, the monitoring of the juvenile sockeye, as they've been moving through the water channels. It's relatively new; we don't have a lot of data on it yet. It is true that they've reported in one set of tests that the fish that passed through the north part of Johnston Strait and Queen Charlotte Strait didn't appear to show up in the same numbers further up the coast. Exactly why that is, and whether it was predation, we'll never know. If it was succumbing to a disease, we'll never know. But it does show that there is some drop in population as they move there.

We need further work on that. We need additional years to see if this is consistent.

But what I can tell you is that the concern about the passing of some disease from fish in the Broughton Archipelago has no basis in fact--

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Excuse me, Mr. Backman.

I don't believe the specific experiments that were being requested or suggested--i.e., closing down some of the channels--are taking place. Am I incorrect on that? And if they are not being implemented, why have those recommendations not been implemented?

9:15 a.m.

Sustainability Director, Marine Harvest Canada, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Clare Backman

Well, they haven't been recommended by government, but they have been taking place nonetheless. A combination of actions by industry and the environmental movement and DFO this year monitored the effect of coordinated fallowing, which is effectively shutting down some of the channels to salmon farming.

There are still fish being grown in the archipelago year in and year out, but this coordinated treatment so that sea lice are reduced has been very effective. For the last five years sea lice numbers have been going down compared with earlier in the decade.

I was just trying to point out that sea lice are a parasite, and the concern about some kind of passage of disease is not founded, because the annual reports by the regulators have demonstrated this.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Thank you very much. So some work is being done, but not the complete shutting down of some of the channels as an experiment; this is what I understand.

I want to also ask about the role of information.

Ms. Salmon, you talked about its being designed to maintain controversy. I think there has also been some criticism that the industry hasn't been transparent with their information.

Could you give me the rationale for that, and indicate whether you support a greater degree of transparency in the new federal regulations?

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Ruth Salmon

Absolutely: industry is very supportive. Prior to its becoming regulation, companies such as Marine Harvest Canada and others are starting to post information on their own websites. I think industry realized that this increased transparency was necessary. It's already starting to happen, so when the B.C. regulations come into place on December 18 and those new regulatory requirements actually come into regulation, industry will not have a difficult time making the transition.

Clare, did you want to make a--

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

So the industry has been less than fully transparent but it is improving, and it embraces the....

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Ruth Salmon

Absolutely. No one disagrees with the concept.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Yes.

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Ruth Salmon

We don't have anything to hide. We have responsible practices--

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Thank you.

Sorry, I don't mean to be rude. I just want to get my third question in.

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Ruth Salmon

No, no, that's fine.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

“Healthy, sustainable protein” and “relieve the pressure on wild stock” were words you used in some of your comments. I know that some of the critics of this industry....

Well, actually, researchers who are not activists will say that one of the least sustainable aspects of the industry is the conversion of fish protein at a rate of, what, 10:1? The comment made was that it's like saying that it's sustainable to raise wolves to feed people when the wolves have to eat a whole lot of deer to create a pound of wolf meat: salmon are the marine equivalent of that.

It looks like you may have heard that comment before.

Could you talk to me about the food sources for the salmon so that we don't have to address the concern that we're high-grading many pounds to convert it into one pound of human food?

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Ruth Salmon

It's a valid question.

Clare, you're just dying to answer it.

9:20 a.m.

Sustainability Director, Marine Harvest Canada, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Clare Backman

Just very quickly, we've heard those numbers of 10:1 in the past for fish converted into salmon. Let's remember that those kinds of numbers are very dated.

Today, as an example, through substitution with land-based protein, my company has reduced the use of fish in the feed to less than 2:1. We're currently working at about 1.3 pounds of fish to a pound of salmon, and we're working towards becoming a net producer of salmon through these programs of substitution.

So those are old numbers. It's not just my company; everyone in B.C. is a leader in this substitution. The number is about 1.3:1 now.

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance

Ruth Salmon

Thanks, Clare.

I just wanted to add that Canada really is leading the way here. When we go to global conferences, Canada is leading the way in terms of the new efficiencies in feed. This is a really good example of the use of outdated information, and we perhaps haven't done our job in getting that information out. That's part of being more transparent and being more active in communication, because people should know that we are reducing that level of fish meal and fish oil in the diets.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Thank you.

Do I still have time, Chair?

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rodney Weston

You have a minute and three-quarters.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Joyce Murray Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Okay.

The scientists I've been working with who have come and done town hall meetings in my constituency, purely about the science and the research, will assert that there are a number of causal factors in the decline of sockeye salmon. For many of us, the 2010 salmon returns didn't really ease the concerns. It's such an anomaly. It points out the absence of science, in that we couldn't even predict it. It's also like being in Copenhagen at the Conference of the Parties, having a cold winter in Copenhagen that year, and having people say, “Oh, well, global warming is not happening”.

The concerns are very real. Some would say that many of the factors, such as global warming, acidification of the ocean, the impacts on the food the salmon need, and the warming temperatures in the Fraser River are out of human hands, but there are impacts that are within our control. Although they may be minor, they require us to give them full attention, because so many of the impacts are outside our control. Salmon aquaculture with a potential for transferred diseases and lice would be one of the ones in our control. That it may be causal needs to be taken into account in a greater proportion of importance.

Could you comment on that?