Evidence of meeting #96 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was fishermen.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chair  Mrs. Bernadette Jordan (South Shore—St. Margarets, Lib.)
Duane Post  Councillor, District of Kent
Linda Nowlan  Staff Counsel, West Coast Environmental Law Association
James Lawson  As an Individual
Cailyn Siider  As an Individual
Chelsey Ellis  As an Individual

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Chelsey Ellis

Yes. The first gathering was in February.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

What brought you together? Was it primarily this issue?

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Chelsey Ellis

Yes, I believe so. We knew we wanted to start towards that.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

The affordability of new entrants entering into the process: Is that your mandate; is that your mission?

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Cailyn Siider

Part of it is. It's just to have a community for young fishermen to meet and discuss things and for issues like that.

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Chelsey Ellis

I think a big part of it, too, that I've heard echoed and that I'm strongly advocating for, is changing the negative perception of commercial fishing and showing people the positives in it.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

The negative impression from whom?

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Cailyn Siider

[Inaudible—Editor] the department.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

The department?

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Chelsey Ellis

Well, I look at maybe what the perception of fishermen in Alaska is, or on the east coast, compared with the perception of the general public of what fishermen do and what their job entails on the west coast. I've seen that be very, very different. I think putting that out there is what's going to help.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

You've said you've experienced that, and I'm intrigued by that.

How would you compare the Alaskan interaction between their government regulatory body and the fishermen versus the Canadian experience?

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Chelsey Ellis

I think it comes from...and I've heard this. If you ask the mandate of someone who's a fish and game and wildlife worker, i.e., what is their purpose, they can list it off really quickly. Within that is to protect and enhance the livelihood of fishermen. If you ask someone who's maybe in management or regulation at DFO, they're not quite sure what their mandate is.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Bobby Morrissey Liberal Egmont, PE

That's interesting.

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Chelsey Ellis

It's more of a precautionary “against” instead of a working “with”. I just figure, man, wouldn't it be great if we had more industry projects, if we had people working more closely together?

I think that's what it was maybe 20 or 30 years ago, from what I hear from people, but something has happened. There's been some sort of shift, or some communication that's been broken. I'd be really interested to find out what it is.

12:50 p.m.

Mrs. Bernadette Jordan (South Shore—St. Margarets, Lib.)

The Chair

Thank you, Ms. Ellis.

Mr. Miller, you will have the final five minutes.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Miller Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I really enjoyed your presentations, all three of you. With no disrespect to our bureaucrats when they come here, it's so refreshing to hear some real-life stories.

Mr. Lawson, I come from a farming background, from agriculture. You might take me off the farm, but you can't take the farm out of me. Don't ever apologize for not wanting to take the fishing out of you.

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Miller Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

I totally get it.

Ms. Siider, you mentioned east and west coast policies. I think Mr. McDonald will back me up, because I've heard it, that even in the east coast policy there are differences between the mainland and Newfoundland.

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Miller Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

It baffles me. Then I hear that there's a different one for the west and east coasts. As briefly as possible, what's the rationale for that, or is there any?

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Cailyn Siider

I don't know.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Miller Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

I would take it that there probably isn't a rationale.

12:50 p.m.

As an Individual

Cailyn Siider

There's a long and storied history of corporate ownership on the west coast. From what I understand, the current policy that's being allowed on the west coast opens the door for that. Fishermen, people like us, haven't necessarily had a lobby against that. We haven't been organized.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Miller Conservative Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, ON

Are you saying, then, Ms. Siider, that there tends to be more corporate ownership of the fishing on the west coast than on the east coast, in general?

12:55 p.m.

As an Individual

Cailyn Siider

From my experience on the west coast, yes.