Fisheries Committee on Sept. 25th, 2024

[The Chair, Liberal, Ken McDonald]

Yes.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

On that point of order, the way I understand how the rules always work on the timing is that it isn't because it's delayed. We have a scheduled time for the start of the committee, and it ends at that scheduled time because members have other duties that they have to attend to. That's why it always ends at the scheduled time unless you have unanimous consent. Those are the rules in the big green book.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ken McDonald]

The clerk told me that when we start the meeting, it is delayed due to votes. People didn't get here until the votes were over. The meeting started at 5:22 and the committee gets the full two hours to go to 7:22.

[Bobby Morrissey, Liberal, Egmont, PE]

Thank you, Chair.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I challenge the chair on that ruling.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ken McDonald]

I put faith in the clerk—

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I challenge the chair on that ruling.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ken McDonald]

You can challenge the clerk if you'd like.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

No. I'm challenging the chair, which requires a vote.

[Bobby Morrissey, Liberal, Egmont, PE]

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

You can't. I just challenged the chair. It's not debatable.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ken McDonald]

Okay. Let's do the vote on the challenge to the chair first.

[The Clerk of the Committee, Ms. Geneviève Dubois-Richard]

If you vote to sustain the ruling of the chair, you say yes, and if you say no, you oppose the chair.

[Bobby Morrissey, Liberal, Egmont, PE]

Mr. Chair, before we begin, I need a clarification.

The rules adopted by the House allow the chair to conduct a meeting for two hours from the time it starts—

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I have a point of order. It's a challenge of the chair and a vote has been called. It's not debatable.

[Bobby Morrissey, Liberal, Egmont, PE]

What we're voting on has to be clear.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

It's not debatable.

[Bobby Morrissey, Liberal, Egmont, PE]

It has to be clear what we're voting on, Mr. Perkins.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

The clerk just clarified it. You can ask the clerk again. If you vote yes, you're supporting the chair's ruling. If you vote no, you're opposing the the chair's ruling. It's a pretty simple concept.

[Bobby Morrissey, Liberal, Egmont, PE]

The chair's ruling was to uphold the rules of the House of Commons.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

The chair's ruling was the adjournment time, which is wrong.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ken McDonald]

We'll see.

We'll call the vote.

[Serge Cormier, Liberal, Acadie—Bathurst, NB]

Mr. Chair, first of all, I'm sorry. There was a lot of talking. What are we actually voting on right now, okay?

I'm not sure if I'm the only one. Maybe it's because we're virtual, but I see Lisa Marie just.... Maybe she's asking herself what we are voting on right now. I'm not sure, but please....

[The Chair, Liberal, Ken McDonald]

Mr. Perkins is challenging the chair on my decision to say that the meeting ends at 5:22. According to what the clerk has advised me, it's 5:22, so Mr. Perkins is challenging the chair's ruling on this.

[An hon. member]

It's 7:22.