Evidence of meeting #124 for Fisheries and Oceans in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vessels.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bonny Brokenshire  Environmental Professional, As an Individual
David Mitchell  Mayor, Town of Bridgewater
Eric Dahli  Chair, Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society
Bob Peart  Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Lisa Marie Barron NDP Nanaimo—Ladysmith, BC

Thank you so much.

I want to emphasize how much I appreciate both of you highlighting today, in very descriptive ways, the real impacts this is having on people on the west coast. We know this has implications coast to coast to coast. However, particularly on the west coast, we are seeing the detrimental impacts of a lack of a sound federal strategy that interconnects all of those involved. Therefore, I appreciate the information.

I have too many questions.

I'm going to Mr. Peart.

In the notes you provided to us, point two speaks about “empower[ing] local communities to manage private mooring buoys.” There was one thing that stood out to me with a previous witness, Ms. Brokenshire, who talked about the bylaws in place through the Bowen Island Conservancy, of which she's a member. She talked about the fact that, through this process, the municipality takes on the costs. I hope I'm remembering what she said accurately.

I wonder if you could speak about how important it is that we have a federal strategy, where the federal government takes the leadership required for these strategies, so that municipalities already overburdened with the downloading of resources don't feel the impacts of the steps needed to move forward with the mooring plan.

12:40 p.m.

Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Bob Peart

Yes, I was able to listen to your previous witnesses.

We have False Creek, Deep Cove, Bowen Island, Kelowna and Gorge waterway here. There are a number of communities trying to move forward to control this. Again, without more federal authority on private mooring buoys, the abandoned boats just shuffle along. Say there's a vessel on Bowen Island they don't like. They approach the owner, but the owner will just move to the next harbour.

As I said earlier, the core reason for a lot of these abandoned and derelict boats is the fact that the private mooring buoy situation isn't regulated. Yes, communities have the 300-metre zone. Places like Bowen Island put in a licence of occupation. It has helped the situation locally, but it isn't helping the overall situation, in the sense that the private mooring buoy regulations aren't being enforced.

The Chair Liberal Ken McDonald

Thank you, Ms. Barron.

We'll now go to Mr. Arnold for five minutes or less.

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to both witnesses for appearing today.

I want to start out by making sure we're clear on something.

Are vessel owners required to register vessels when purchased, in your understanding?

12:40 p.m.

Chair, Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society

Eric Dahli

I can answer that with some of the experiences we've had in Cadboro Bay.

First, the two happiest days in a boat owner's life are the day he purchases it and the day he gets rid of it. That's the other best day.

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

The question is, are vessel owners required to register their vessel? I've checked the Government of Canada website, and it says they are.

12:40 p.m.

Chair, Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society

Eric Dahli

There are many vessels that change hands with a few dollars, and there is no record—

12:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Are they required to register those vessels by law?

12:40 p.m.

Chair, Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society

Eric Dahli

I am not—

12:40 p.m.

Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Bob Peart

They are when it's initially purchased, but a boat could be in the water for 30 or 40 years and have seven different owners. The confusion is after the initial purchase.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

However, I looked at the Government of Canada's website. Owners are required to register a vessel under the large vessel register or a pleasure craft licence.

12:45 p.m.

Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Bob Peart

Is that when they purchase it?

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

No matter who from, it's when they purchase it. It's not necessarily brand new. It's whenever they purchase it. I can state this, because I used to be in the small-vessel repair business. Whenever a vessel is transferred, you are required to transfer the registration.

What is happening? Can you say whether or not that law is being enforced?

12:45 p.m.

Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Bob Peart

It is not being enforced.

12:45 p.m.

Chair, Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society

Eric Dahli

I agree.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

We currently have laws that could address this, but they're simply not being enforced. Is that correct?

12:45 p.m.

Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Bob Peart

That is correct.

12:45 p.m.

Chair, Cadboro Bay Dead Boats Society

Eric Dahli

I agree wholeheartedly. There are vessels in Cadboro Bay that have old K numbers on them that do not exist anymore. They've been handed down through a lot of cash deals that you can't trace.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you.

Mr. Peart, you mentioned that Transport Canada has committed to modernizing the vessel owner registry. When was that commitment made?

12:45 p.m.

Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Bob Peart

I don't know the details. I'm just saying that in the conversations I have with individuals at Transport Canada, they say, “Yes, we're working on it. We're working on the system. We'd like to do it. Yes, we need a registration system.”

More recently, I was told by Elizabeth May that a bill was passed in the House of Commons to set up some kind of registration system through Transport Canada. Again, I don't know the details, but I think that's happened within the last six to nine months.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you.

Again, Mr. Peart, you mentioned that regulations are not being enforced. Can you elaborate a little further on what regulations you were referring to?

October 28th, 2024 / 12:45 p.m.

Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Bob Peart

Most of them would be related to the private mooring buoys, the Navigable Waters Act and WAHVA. Those are the—

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

What's WAHVA? Is that an acronym?

12:45 p.m.

Chair, Friends of Shoal Harbour Society

Bob Peart

Let me look it up. I always have to look. It's the Wrecked, Abandoned or Hazardous Vessels Act.

That enforcement prior to 2004 was more directly related to the Coast Guard and that responsibility was then transferred out to Transport Canada. Subsequently, since 2004, Transport Canada has not been enforcing the regulations as effectively as the Coast Guard was.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mel Arnold Conservative North Okanagan—Shuswap, BC

Thank you.

Mr. Dahli, you mentioned that we're in a jurisdictional nightmare. Can you take 30 seconds to elaborate on that?