Well, as Canadians, we have been there with other countries--the U.S, Australia, Germany, and the U.K., to name a few. Strangely enough, we have been very active. Maybe it's because of the kind of relationship we've had with the Chinese over 25 years, and more that we've been invited to come and tell them how we do business and how we do things, and they're paying attention. You don't find out about it right away. You might find out about it two years or so later.
As a quick example, we brought a group of senior prosecutors over there for work in their anti-corruption group in the Supreme People's Procuratorate. They looked at our integrated enforcement model, how the RCMP works with the border agencies and other government departments and so on. I found out two years later, in an off-the-cuff conversation, that they had gone ahead and recommended it and that they'd adopted the form, but adjusted to their needs. That's not bad. So a little country like....
In Canada, we've been there. We were the first foreign organization--foreign for them--working in this area of justice reform, particularly in the area of implementing human rights standards. We've published books. In 1998 we published a compendium of human rights standards. We have volumes we've produced that now are being spread. This one has gone to about 220,000 prosecutors and judges and academics across China. So we are making a difference in that respect.
How do you measure it? That's a tough question. In our results-based management world, it's not as easy to have predictable results and always have indicators that match this and that in that context. What you do see, though, if you happen to go and visit, is that there is change taking place. You see in the newspapers things we have never seen before about the prosecutors and the judges throwing out cases. Wrongful conviction cases are now being paid attention to. Who would have thought five years ago that this would have been possible?