Evidence of meeting #55 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was council.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Jillian Stirk  Assistant Deputy Minister, Global Issues, Strategic Policy and Europe, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Alan H. Kessel  Legal Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Sigrid Anna Johnson  Canadian Senior Arctic Official, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

10:15 a.m.

Legal Adviser, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Alan H. Kessel

I think the way you've articulated that question is precisely on the food groups within it, which we need to deal with. We need to dispel the mythology around them. Let me try with respect to disputes in the Arctic.

There are only three, and those are the three in the document I have given you that are in the Canadian Arctic. One is with respect to a line in the Lincoln Sea, and that hopefully will be resolved with geo-mapping in the near future. There's Hans Island, which we are managing as a dispute, but we're not going to go to war with Denmark, I can promise you that. So it's being managed. It's a rock, and we will deal with that.

The more interesting one is the Beaufort, of course, and clearly we have very good relations with our American friends. We look forward to the moment when we can sit down and try to resolve this, because our idea would be to have a clear map of the three disputes in the Arctic.

I'm trying to diminish the real sort of mythology around it, because one's a line in the water, one's a rock, and the other thing we're going to get to. Is this threatening our sovereignty? No.

We talked about flags being dropped on the North Pole. You know, the National Geographic puts flags on the Himalayas all the time. You don't own the Himalayas. The Americans put a flag on the moon; they don't own the moon. The Russians did a photo-op; they don't own the North Pole. Probably the Danes own the North Pole, actually, if you look at the map. I think what we have to do is try to diminish what some of these characters do, and the Russian guy was just trying to do exactly that—provoke.

You mentioned fly-bys. We have a very concerted North American air command, which takes a look at any aircraft that come near our territory. None of the aircraft in question actually did cross into Canadian territory, but we're very aware, and we watch how they manoeuvre in those areas. That's something the Department of National Defence does as part of exercising our sovereignty. So that is another example of how when we scramble jets to go up there from our northern air command, we're doing something to protect and exercise our sovereignty.

Just the combination of the questions and the sort of atmosphere around them is important, because when we go into other rooms where people are not as informed or have the depth that you have, in terms of what we do as government and as officials in protecting the interests of our country, they need to get the kind of clarity that we can give them and that you can give them. So anything we can do to give you those bullets, those bite-sized chunks, those very simple answers to complex questions, we'd be delighted to do so. In essence, the reduction of their concern for non-issues allows them to be concerned about real ones.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Mr. Williamson.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

Lois Brown Conservative Newmarket—Aurora, ON

Any tiny questions? I want to know if we're going to find Franklin's ship.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

No, that's all the time we have, Ms. Brown. Sorry about that.

Mr. Kessel, Ms. Stirk, and, Ms. Johnson, thank you very much for being here today. We appreciate your time, and if we have any additional questions, we look forward to following up and sending them to you.

With that, we're going to suspend the meeting and go in camera for some committee business.

Thank you very much.

[Proceedings continue in camera]

[Public proceedings resume]

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Could I have the members back to the table? We're going to stay public for this motion, just to read it into the record. Once we've dealt with the motion, we'll go in camera.

Mr. Dewar, why don't you read the motion.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I just want to bring forward the motion that I brought notice of a couple of weeks back, before the break. At that time, I had referenced the fact that after our committee hearings on Syria it was important to bring something forward to the committee in the way of a motion. So the notice of motion I brought forward on November 1 is in front of committee members. I'll be brief.

It does reference the fact that from what we heard in committee from witnesses about the humanitarian crisis in Syria, our committee is calling on the government to support, first of all, the peace-building efforts in Syria by making new financial contributions to the work of the UN-Arab League joint special envoy. The government has already done that. This is just a call to continue doing that.

Then the motion says “provide emergency humanitarian assistance to address the growing refugee crisis in Syria”.

I'll just take a moment to point out that people will probably have heard over the weekend, and as recently as yesterday, that the crisis deepens, and particularly, as we heard from committee a couple of weeks ago, because winter is coming. I know that sounds strange for many who might not be aware that notwithstanding where it is geographically, there are harsh conditions for people in winter in the area. Children, in particular, are suffering. We just had a report as of yesterday from an agency saying that children's welfare is suffering, and making a call for action.

This is just to support the refugees in Syria, and to give particular attention also to the violence against women.

The last point is to do—

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Lois Brown Conservative Newmarket—Aurora, ON

I have a point of order. Mr. Chair, I believe these are points for debate. We're supposed to be reading the motion into the record.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Sure. Okay. I've done this before.

And finally it is to expedite family reunification, as we have done in the past.

The motion is in front of you:

That, with regards to the growing humanitarian crisis in Syria, the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development calls on the Government of Canada to: support the peace-building efforts in Syria by making new financial contributions to the work of UN-Arab League Joint Special Envoy Lakhdar Brahimi; provide emergency humanitarian assistance to address the growing refugee crisis in Syria with particular attention to the issue of violence against women; and, expedite the process of family reunification for Syrians sponsored by Syrian-Canadians.

I'll stop there and leave it for the committee to debate and, if we can, vote on it.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Ms. Brown.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Lois Brown Conservative Newmarket—Aurora, ON

Thank you, Chair.

We have an amended motion that we've submitted to the committee. May I read that into the record, Mr. Chair?

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Go ahead, Ms. Brown.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Lois Brown Conservative Newmarket—Aurora, ON

The amended motion reads:

That the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development note and welcome the substantial efforts taken to date by the Government of Canada to respond to the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Syria and in the broader region; that the Committee encourage the Government to continue to consider additional financial contributions that would provide tangible results by assisting those most in need; support the Government's efforts to expedite family reunification for Syrians who are sponsored by Syrian-Canadians and who face individualized personal risk; and that, following its adoption, the Committee report this motion back to the House.

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I thank Ms. Brown for that. We don't have it translated yet, so I'm wondering if—

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Do you want to think about it, and we'll bring it back next week?

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I appreciate the offer and the amendment. I'd like to make sure that we bring this back as soon as possible, and I know we'll talk to Mr. LeBlanc about that.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

We'll make some time on Thursday.

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Yes. I think he'll be in agreement with that. Thank you.

10:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you.

Now we're going to go in camera for some committee business, so we'll take a second to do that, and then we'll have a look at the work plan.

[Proceedings continue in camera]