Thank you, Chair.
Thank you to the witnesses for being here. It's a very interesting discussion.
Mr. Siebert, like Mr. McKay, I long for the day, too, when we'll beat our swords into ploughshares. For example, in not too recent history, think of the Russians and the Bolsheviks, where 5% of the population was able to keep those people in a horrible state for 70 years.
We talked at the last meeting about military engagement. We talked about the survey that had come forth. Most Canadians are tired of these battles that never seem to come to any fruition. Should we just draw a line in the sand, as we did with the Soviet Union, and tell them to try their luck with their type of system and that we'll see them in 50 years, rather than try to correct them? Look at what we've done in Egypt and the hopes that we had for the Arab Spring. We look at the turmoil going on there. Every time we go in there, it seems to get worse.