One of the things that we know, for instance, from studying even the recent history of Yugoslavia in the 1990s is that your friends are sometimes the most difficult people to control. So it's not inconceivable that those in eastern Ukraine see the opportunity, understand that they can destabilize, and create an opportunity where the pressure inside Russia on President Putin from some of the groups that I've talked about will grow and they will [Inaudible—Editor]. You know, you can ensnare a government in this way, and we've seen it done in the past. That certainly was done in the Serbian part of Bosnia with respect to the Government of Serbia, so what you're describing is not unknown.
I think in this case, though, what we're seeing is a concerted action that the process starts by the engagement of Russians. There are some 150 in Donetsk right now who are agitating for a referendum, and what we really need.... Again the message that we need Angela Merkel to convey and that all of us need to say is that any referenda of that sort are unacceptable; they are not legitimate; there is not a fair process; they are being undertaken in a shadow of insecurity, and we would utterly reject any such referenda. We need to be saying that now, frankly. I think our governments are saying that in the west.