I want to underline that. We've seen some movement in words from the government. It is important to put what the convention says in the clearest possible way. We've heard goodwill from everyone around this table and from witnesses. The goal is to prevent horrific harm to individuals and human beings, but the challenge we face right now has to do with clause 11, which doesn't completely ban the use of these munitions by our forces.
I want to go to Madam Chayer. You mentioned the Red Cross. I want to read something into the record. They gave us a brief and I was quite surprised that, as you said, the ICRC went public with their concerns. The ICRC, for those who don't know, almost never takes such a position. On the ground, they are concerned about what's going on, but they are usually quiet about it.
With regard to the legislation, they say this:
the exceptions in clause 11 are broad and, if adopted as presently drafted, they could permit activities that undermine the object and purpose of the convention and ultimately contribute to the continued use of cluster munitions rather than bringing about their elimination.
In other words, what the ICRC is saying is that, as the legislation exists right now, it could actually work against the intention of the treaty.
First of all, could you give your comments on how unusual it is for the ICRC to comment, and second, do you agree with the statement? Give us your explanation if you agree with this statement. If you don't agree, tell us why.
Madam Chayer.