Evidence of meeting #55 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ukraine.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Matthew Levin  Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Tamara Guttman  Director General, Stabilization and Reconstruction Task Force, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Dave Metcalfe  Director General, Europe-Middle East Programming, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Todd Balfe  Director General, Plans, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence
Drew Leyburne  Director General, Energy Policy Branch, Department of Natural Resources
Sandeep Prasad  Executive Director, Action Canada for Sexual Health and Rights
Maria Martini  Founder and Executive Director, Food For Famine Society
Mark Moore  Chief Executive Officer, MANA Nutrition
Adeline Lescanne-Gautier  Chief Executive Officer, Nutriset

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we are studying the situation in Ukraine. I would like to introduce our witnesses quickly.

From the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, we have Matthew Levin, director general, Europe-Eurasia bureau. We have Tamara Guttman, director general of the stabilization and reconstruction task force, and Dave Metcalfe, director general of Europe-Middle East programming. All three will be delivering opening remarks.

In case there are additional questions, we also have, from the Department of National Defence, Brigadier-General Todd Balfe, director general, plans, and Strategic Joint Staff.

From the Department of Natural Resources, we have Drew Leyburne, director general, energy policy branch.

We have, from the Department of Finance, Steven Kuhn, chief of the international finance section, international trade and finance branch.

Welcome, everyone.

I'm going to turn it over for opening remarks. We're going to have Matthew Levin start and then we'll move right down the line. As we normally do, we'll then commence some question and answer rounds that will precede all of your presentations.

I'll turn it over to you, sir.

11 a.m.

Matthew Levin Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and honourable members of the committee.

As you said, Mr. Chairman, we'd agreed with colleagues that I would begin and then pass the floor to Ms. Guttman and Mr. Metcalfe, and then other colleagues can take questions in areas of their expertise and departmental lead.

The Russian aggression, which started with the illegal annexation of Crimea and then drew eastern Ukraine into a bloody conflict, has now entered its second year. The economic and human toll is mounting.

Over 6,000 people have been killed, according to United Nations estimates, 5.2 million live in conflict-affected areas, and close to 1 million people are reported to be internally displaced.

The productive capital and infrastructure in eastern Ukraine has been largely destroyed and will take years, billions of dollars, and immense human effort to rebuild.

Russia's aggression has taken a form of hybrid warfare, which relies heavily on relentless propaganda and a constant stream of disinformation. It has even manifested itself through the instrumentalization of religion as a means to divide Ukrainians and undermine their unity, particularly those in east Ukraine. It remains unclear whether, let alone when, Russia will relent and allow Ukraine to exercise its sovereign right to pursue its independent path of political and economic development.

The diplomatic efforts toward a political solution led by Germany and France, which resulted in the second Minsk agreement, signed on February 12, have yielded some positive results. There has been an overall reduction in violence, and a partial exchange of prisoners has taken place. However, withdrawal of heavy weaponry by separatists is incomplete and uncertain. Localized fighting is ongoing and occasionally flares up. Mariupol, the largest government-controlled city in the conflict zone, remains under threat, and many prisoners of war remain captive. It is imperative that Canada and the international community continue to maintain pressure on Russia to respect its commitments and ensure that the Minsk agreement is fully implemented.

In the face of the ongoing aggression from its neighbour, Ukraine continues to need significant diplomatic, financial, technical, military, and humanitarian support from its friends and partners around the world. As you are aware, Canada has been one of Ukraine's most active and strongest supporters on the international stage. Canada has consistently condemned in the strongest possible terms Russia's actions in Ukraine. The government has used every opportunity in multilateral and bilateral fora to condemn the Kremlin's illegal, unacceptable, and provocative actions. Canada has made it clear that there would be consequences if Russia did not reverse its course.

We have worked closely with our U.S. and EU counterparts to find the most effective means to counter Russia's aggression in Ukraine. Through close coordination among Canada, the U.S., and the European Union, we have succeeded in imposing significant costs on Russia for its actions. These measures are having significant impact on Russia diplomatically and economically.

Canada has been a leading voice with our partners to isolate Russia diplomatically, notably, but not only, by suspending the G-8, from which Russia has disqualified itself. As a result, Russia's influence and prestige within the global community have diminished significantly.

Canada and our partners have implemented extensive economic sanctions, frozen assets, and imposed travel bans on hundreds of individuals. The restrictive measures target key sectors and individuals within the Russian economy. They were designed to have an impact on the core of the system that supports the Putin government.

Canadian sanctions, which are among the toughest in the world, have been developed in close coordination with U.S. and EU partners to ensure that the international community is united in its response to the aggression. We have imposed sanctions against more than 270 Russian and Ukrainian individuals and entities and a number of key sectors of the Russian economy. Collaboration with international partners ensures that there is a real cost to Russia for its actions.

Russia's economy is now experiencing a steep decline. According to the IMF, GDP is expected to contract by close to 4% in 2015. The currency, the Russian ruble, has lost approximately half its value since the crisis began. Capital flight totalled more than $150 billion in 2014 and is expected to remain high this year, and the nation's reserve funds have declined by close to $100 billion since the conflict in Ukraine began.

While the recent drop in oil prices and Russia's weak economic fundamentals following years of mismanagement are of course important factors, the sanctions that Canada and our partners have put in place and the uncertainty created by the threat of their expansion have played a significant role in Russian economic decline. The impact of these measures on the Russian economy will increase over time.

As for Canada's relationship with Ukraine, it is closer and stronger than ever before. Since the beginning of the crisis, Canada and Ukraine have maintained constant, high-level political dialogue. Prime Minister Harper attended President Poroshenko’s inauguration last June and was the first foreign leader to meet with the new president.

President Poroshenko in turn visited Ottawa last September and was, as you know, warmly received as he delivered a powerful speech to Parliament. Contact at the ministerial level, between both foreign ministers and other ministers, has been regular and fruitful, with multiple ministerial visits and conversations.

Russia has also used energy as a means of political pressure. In response, Canada has worked on a number of short-and medium-term initiatives to support Ukraine in meeting its energy needs and bolstering its energy security. Mr. Leyburne, from Natural Resources Canada, will be able to respond to any questions you may have on this issue.

In addition to our political and diplomatic support, Canada has provided extensive support to Ukraine in the form of financial assistance, development assistance aimed at economic and democratic progress, election monitoring, security monitoring through the OSCE, and non-lethal military assistance.

Since January 2014, Canada has announced more than $578 million in funding. Thanks in part to Canada’s support, Ukraine has made important progress with the implementation of complex and essential reforms.

In response to a request from the Ukrainian Government, Canada has provided non-lethal military equipment to Ukraine's armed forces, including winter clothing, a mobile field hospital, explosive ordnance disposal equipment, and other material.

Prime Minister Harper also recently announced that Canada will be deploying approximately 200 Canadian armed forces personnel to Ukraine until March 31, 2017, to develop and deliver military training and capability building programs for Ukrainian forces personnel. Brigadier-General Balfe from the Department of National Defence will be able to answer any questions you may have on this subject.

The range of assistance Canada has provided is very broad and has involved many departments and agencies of the Government of Canada, including all those represented here today, as well as many sectors of Canadian society.

Officials in attendance from other parts of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, from the Departments of Finance and National Defence, and from Natural Resources Canada will be able to speak in detail about the support their departments are providing.

Mr. Chairman, thank you again for inviting us to this hearing. Once my colleagues finish their presentations, we will of course be happy to take any questions from you and the committee.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

I will now turn it over to Ms. Guttman.

11:10 a.m.

Tamara Guttman Director General, Stabilization and Reconstruction Task Force, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Mr. Chairman and honourable members, as my colleague Matthew Levin has mentioned, Russia of course continues to violate Ukraine's sovereignty and to undermine its security and stability, a source of great concern for Canada and the international community as a whole.

In this context, we are working closely with Ukraine and with our international partners to support Ukrainian security in the face of these challenges.

Since January 2014 the Government of Canada has scaled up its assistance to Ukraine through a whole-of-government effort that includes multiple departments and agencies.

Within the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, we have the global peace and security fund or GPSF, the religious freedom fund, the global partnership program, as well as, of course, bilateral development assistance and international humanitarian assistance, which have all made important contributions.

My colleague Dave Metcalfe will be speaking about the development programs shortly.

In the area of security and stabilization, Canada has been actively supporting Ukraine’s security sector and institutions.

For example, we have provided ongoing support to the OSCE's special monitoring mission, the SMM, an unarmed civilian mission that aims to reduce tension and foster stability and security. This has included the deployment of 22 Canadians who are experts in security, human rights, and the rule of law, as well as media.

Further, Canada continued its contributions to free and fair elections in Ukraine over the past year by sending some 300 observers to both presidential and parliamentary elections in 2014, including, of course, various Canadian members of Parliament.

Through the religious freedom fund, we are also supporting the OSCE’s efforts to enhance the ability of Ukrainian security forces to monitor and react to religious persecution.

We are thereby complementing the assistance to local Ukrainian organizations helping to improve religious awareness and tolerance. In response to a request from the Ukrainian government and in collaboration with international partners, the global peace and security fund has provided non-lethal military equipment that addresses the critical needs of Ukraine’s forces.

Specifically, Canadian programming has enhanced secure communications to counter Russian interference, has improved the health and safety of armed forces, has provided equipment and kit to support operational effectiveness, and has given support to the Department of National Defence for the training of Ukrainian armed forces.

The GPSF is also being used to build capacity in Ukraine's security institutional reform. Canadian contributions to the NATO-Ukraine trust funds are assisting Ukraine in developing its command, control, communications, and computer capabilities and reforming logistic systems and implementing NATO standards within the armed forces. We have also deployed a Canadian security expert to the NATO liaison office in Ukraine.

Russia's actions have a destabilizing impact across the region as well. For this reason, the global peace and security fund programming is contributing to the establishment of NATO centres of excellence in cyber defence, energy security, and strategic communications to help strengthen the regional framework in these areas.

Finally, further programming is being considered in various areas, including, for example, enhancing border security, reforming police, building military capacity, and assisting countries in the region to counter Russian aggression.

Similarly, the global partnership program is exploring opportunities to help strengthen Ukrainian capacities to secure chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear materials and to prevent their acquisition by non-state actors for use as weapons of mass destruction.

Now I will turn the floor over to Dave Metcalfe. Of course, we'll be happy to answer questions afterwards.

Merci.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Mr. Metcalfe.

11:10 a.m.

Dave Metcalfe Director General, Europe-Middle East Programming, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair and honourable members.

I'm pleased to provide you with an overview of Canada's development response to Ukraine. Last year's revolution was about Ukrainians' desire to live in a prosperous, democratic, independent European country. While there is a long way to go, a new generation of young reformers in government, parliament, and a re-energized civil society are making real progress.

As announced by Prime Minister Harper, Canada has expedited and prioritized new development assistance programming to support Ukraine, more than doubling the development assistance budget over traditional levels. As my colleagues have indicated, since January 2014 Canada has announced more than $578 million in funding. Of this, $139 million is for increased bilateral development assistance.

Development assistance is focused in two areas: democracy and rule of law, and sustainable economic growth. To support democracy, since January 2014 Canada has announced over $43 million to advance democracy and rule-of-law projects delivered through trusted partners. Canada sent observers to ensure free and fair elections. Canadian technical assistance improves elections regulations, trains elections officials, and raises awareness of voters' rights. The year 2014 saw two national elections, and Canada played a leadership role in coordinating international assistance and election monitoring. In 2015 our partners will continue to work for longer-term change to Ukraine's democratic culture through training political parties to better respond to citizens' issues and developing mechanisms for public engagement.

As Ukraine begins to decentralize, the upcoming local elections in October 2015 will be another important step forward in its democratic transition. We also continue to support efforts for an independent free media and a strong civil society. Effective decentralization of resources and authority will place greater demands on Ukraine's local governments. Canada has shared its strong municipal management expertise with Ukrainian cities for several years. We have supported Ukrainian cities and regional administrations in economic planning and in actively and effectively engaging with citizens.

Ukraine's 2015 budget has increased funding for local governments and includes plans for constitutional reform to entrench decentralization. Ukraine can draw on the experiences of neighbouring countries that have undergone decentralization. Canada is bringing both Canadian and regional experiences, including Polish experience, to assist local governments in managing new functions and to ensure oversight and accountability.

A key demand of the Maidan protestors was an end to impunity and injustice. Canada has committed to assisting Ukraine to strengthen rule of law, and we are a lead partner in judicial reform. Canadian assistance is promoting judicial independence, increasing access to quality legal assistance for democracy activists and citizens, and training judges in European human rights law.

With respect to economic stabilization and growth, as you know, the Ukrainian economy has been destabilized. Canada has helped with $400 million in low-interest loans. Since 2014 Canada has also announced over $97 million to support sustainable economic growth. This includes $20.9 million in IMF technical assistance to implement modern, sustainable financial management practices and to get the economy back on the right footing.

Canadian advisers have been deployed to assist the Ministry of Finance, the presidential administration, the national bank, the national anti-corruption bureau, and the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade in matters such as internal restructuring, economic policies, fighting corruption, and results-based management.

In addition to institutional reform, modernization of Ukrainian businesses is also needed for Ukraine to become competitive. Canada continues to work to support SME growth in Ukraine, particularly in the agricultural sector where there's strong potential for business growth to benefit millions of poor Ukrainians in rural areas, including southern and eastern regions. Since the beginning of 2014, Canada has announced over $55 million in new projects to support small and medium-sized farms, particularly in the grain, dairy, and market vegetable sectors.

Participating in the promotion of energy independence continues to be a Ukrainian priority. DFATD and Natural Resources Canada are actively exploring opportunities for Canada to share its expertise in natural resources governance and development. Canadian technical assistance has helped Ukraine develop an energy contingency plan and is helping the Ministry of Finance to develop a new gas royalties regime. In order to respond to the most immediate needs of people directly affected by the conflict, Canada has also provided $3 million in humanitarian assistance.

In summary, Canada remains supportive of Ukraine's reform efforts and is responsive to Ukraine's immediate needs caused by the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

We continue to work with experienced partners to produce development results across all regions of the country. Looking forward, on April 28 in Kiev Canada will participate in an international donor conference on Ukraine, hosted by the Ukrainian government. This is an opportunity for Canada and international donors to hear how Ukraine has progressed on reforms and on its forward priorities.

Thank you for the opportunity to share with you the significant support Canada is providing to Ukraine as it advances its reform and economic-growth agendas. I would be pleased to take any questions.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

Thank you very much, Mr. Metcalfe.

We're going to start with questions.

Mr. Dewar, you have the floor for seven minutes.

11:20 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to our witnesses for their overviews. I want to start with just a thought-based question on our assets in Kiev. In particular, I know about the commitment that was recently announced on the military side, but I need to understand the diplomatic side a little bit better. How many people do we have presently on the ground in the embassy?

11:20 a.m.

Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Matthew Levin

Mr. Chairman, I'm not sure I have the exact figures. The total staff at the embassy, I believe, is in the neighbourhood of 50 people, but we'll have to subsequently provide, with the committee's permission, the exact figures. That includes, as in every mission, a combination of what we call Canada-based staff, that is, Canadians who are on assignment there as well as locally engaged staff, the Ukrainian colleagues at the embassy. I think there are between 15 and 20 Canada-based staff at the moment and some 40 local staff. We'll find that out and verify those figures.

11:20 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I appreciate that, and we'd like a breakdown, as you said, of those who are locals and nationals as well as what their jobs are. You've laid out a fairly substantive agenda here, and I'm just curious about the capacity we have on the ground to carry those mandates and goals out.

On sanctions—and I appreciate the fact that the idea was to coordinate with our friends from the EU and the U.S.—I'm interested in how the department makes recommendations to government in terms of who we put on the list.

11:20 a.m.

Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Matthew Levin

Mr. Chairman, regarding the development of Canada's sanctions regime, I would start by saying that Canada has an extremely strong sanctions regime, and as you've said, Mr. Dewar, we've developed our approach in very close consultation and coordination with key partners. Above all in the case of the sanctions regime against Russia in response to aggression in Ukraine, with the United States and the European Union, these discussions take place very frequently in different formats, such as phone conferences and in-person meetings, and have done so regularly since March of 2014.

Because the view has been that those partners who are applying sanctions should have a consistent approach in terms of scope and size, the approach of each partner in informed by, while not necessarily identical to, those of the other partners. So as we make recommendations, we take into account above all the objective of the sanctions, which is to apply economic pressure on Russia and the Putin government. We believe the sanctions in place are in fact having this effect, so that's one primary consideration, and we make recommendations on that basis. That has been our approach in essence.

11:20 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

That's helpful. Thank you.

So the department does assessments, makes recommendations to your political masters, to government, and then they decide. I'm just curious as to what the thinking was when we decided in one case not to align our sanctions with our those of our friends. I'm talking about sanctions against Igor Sechin. I've brought this up numerous times. I was told by one of the government members that we have to think of our national interests, and, frankly, I was surprised when I heard that at committee. I have that on the record to share with people if need be. Igor Sechin is, as we know, very close to Mr. Putin. He is involved in the gas and oil business, as we know. He was a former vice-prime minister; he has a very high profile, and it's curious to many of us that Mr. Sechin is on the sanctions list for the EU and the U.S., but not for Canada.

I'm trying to figure out if the department recommended that Mr. Sechin be on the list?

11:25 a.m.

Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Matthew Levin

I would just say in response to that question that Canada's sanction regime is probably the strongest of all the partners' in terms of the number of individuals and entities we have sanctioned.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Respectfully, that wasn't the question.

11:25 a.m.

Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Matthew Levin

There are differences among the sanction lists of individual members. We have sanctioned individuals and entities that our partners have not, but some—

11:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Did the department recommend that Mr. Sechin be on the sanctions list?

11:25 a.m.

Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Matthew Levin

Unfortunately, I really can't discuss this publicly. Because of the integrity of the sanctions regime, we don't discuss publicly the specific application process of the Special Economic Measures Act against particular individuals and entities.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

The decision is made by cabinet—I'll grant you that—but in terms of the information and the assessment that is done, I am simply asking if an assessment was done to put Mr. Sechin on the list. You're saying you can't tell me that.

11:25 a.m.

Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Matthew Levin

No, at this time I am not able to tell you that.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

That's fair enough.

I do have a question just on follow-up. Maybe we can get into this in another round. In terms of the military complement that was announced, was the department consulted on that decision?

11:25 a.m.

Director General, Europe and Eurasia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade

Matthew Levin

There has been very close consultation and cooperation across the range of departments and agencies of the government that have been involved in Canada's response to Russian actions in Ukraine, including between the Department of National Defence and our own department. With respect to all the dimensions of Canada's response, and specifically in terms of the assistance that Canada has provided to the Russian military, there has been close cooperation, consultation, and exchange of information.

General Balfe, you may want to add more, but that is my impression.

11:25 a.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I appreciate that. Because we've heard about the complement, I was curious about whether the department was directly contacted by the Department of National Defence about the mission and was getting feedback from DFATD in terms of that mission.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Dean Allison

We will pick it up again, because that's all the time we have here.

Mr. Trottier, you have seven minutes, please.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Bernard Trottier Conservative Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON

Thank you, guests, for being here today to talk about these important developments in Ukraine. Of course being involved in the Ukraine theatre, if you will, is one of the things that Canada needs to do. Even though it's across the ocean and across the planet, it affects Canada in so many ways because of the family ties and the people-to-people contact that we have with people in Ukraine. In my riding of Etobicoke—Lakeshore, in particular, there is a very large first-generation Ukrainian community that is actively concerned about what is going on in Ukraine.

In your presentations, you touched on three important axes of activity. You talked about the economic development, the sanctions regime, and the military assistance that we are providing to Ukraine right now. I'd like to expand on the military component, because so many stakeholders in my own community and stakeholders I meet around the country say that it is a top priority.

Mr. Levin and General Balfe, perhaps you can expand on the unique Canadian expertise that we bring to this training mission. Canada has 200 personnel deployed in western Ukraine. They are there or will be there with American personnel and U.K. personnel. I understand that Poland is going to be participating in this training mission also. What are some of the unique things that Canadian trainers bring to this engagement?

11:25 a.m.

Brigadier-General Todd Balfe Director General, Plans, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence

Responding on behalf of the department, and also to bring in my colleagues from Foreign Affairs, it's important to point out that this training mission in particular has been developed in very close collaboration with our friends at Foreign Affairs. Since last August we've been working together to build this mission collectively so that the equipment they would provide would come with Canadian military trainers. There has been very tight coordination throughout all of that.

In terms of your specific question on our expertise, Canada, and the Canadian armed forces in particular, has decades of experience providing training assistance. I must point to the military training and cooperation program, which is run under the Department of National Defence, which has been training thousands and thousands of members of various militaries closely allied, partnered, and associated with Canada over the past decades.

As one example, approximately 1,276 Ukrainian service members have received training under this program alone. Ukraine became a member of the MTCP, the military training and cooperation program, back in 1993 shortly after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. It has a very extensive 22-year history with Ukraine just as one example.

Another example I would point to is the two plus years' experience we had in Afghanistan under Operation Attention. Canada, the Canadian armed forces in particular, was in a very difficult position, training in a country still at war and training individuals who were largely illiterate and innumerate. We managed to do a unique job of training kandak after kandak, battalion after battalion, of Afghan security forces. We have a long and trusted history of that.

Next I would point out that Canada obviously has a long history with NATO. As a founding member of NATO, we clearly understand NATO principles, NATO procedures, and NATO's way of doing business. We are able to work with our allies very effectively. We are complementary to our allies and we easily liaise with our allies. We speak each other's language, in other words. That brings great benefits to our partners in this particular venture in Ukraine since the long-term goal is to help the Ukrainians transform their military from a Soviet-style military to a western-style military. I can think of no country better suited to do that than Canada.

Thank you.