Good morning and welcome to both of you.
Dr. Mounk, I'm going to start with you first. You wrote something that was a bit concerning to me and I hope you can help me to understand more. You've written that nationalism is likely to remain a defining political force for the foreseeable future. You've also written that the only way to keep the destructive potential of nationalism in check is to fight for a society in which collective identity transcends ethnic and religious boundaries.
What I've taken from some of the things you've written is that there is a very fine line between patriotism and nationalism.
If you were going to give advice, how do you maintain a strong sense of positive patriotism and fight against a negative type of nationalism?