Okay.
I'll go to you, Mr. Quigley, for your thoughts on this whole debate. I think it's so crucial to the discussion that I'll continue to focus on it. Can you give me your thoughts on how we ought to define poverty here?
To be very frank, I think poverty is more than not having money in one's pocket. There are all sorts of other measures that we need to look at if we're going to be serious about addressing poverty, through a DFI or through development policy in general terms. What is your position on this?