No, and I think the thing about the TRIPS waiver is that Canada doesn't have any skin in this game, necessarily, because Canada is not a pharmaceutical country. It doesn't deliver huge pharmaceuticals. We have to get ours from other people. Europe is a big vaccine producer and the United States produces some vaccines, but my question still comes down to this: How do we get uptake? It's one thing to take a horse to water, but you have to make it drink.
The question for me is, how do we get uptake in low-income and middle–income countries that are hesitant? I know that religious reasons play a huge role in people taking vaccines and/or accepting vaccines. In other countries, cultural issues play a big role. I want to go back to this, because for me that is a big stumbling block. The TRIPS waiver notwithstanding and Canada playing a role in that, I think I agree with you on that one. The issue for me is that you could do whatever you would, but if people aren't going to take vaccines, how do we find a way around this?
Education is a long-term thing, as you know. You just don't tell people, “Oh no, no, no. Please trust us, because we think this is important for you.” What sort of way can we use to get around this? I know that some people have talked about paying people to take vaccines. I have heard that discussed in many countries. Do you think that's a valid way to get people to take up vaccines when, for various cultural and other reasons, they don't want to?