The reality is that immigration lawyers are not dealing with individuals who have been sanctioned, because, as you can see from the testimony, it's just not come up in 20 years.
The system is quite robust now. The dangers of what I'm discussing are.... In the 26 years of seeing what legislation falls for constitutional challenges or for other reasons and ends up getting struck down, what happens is there's almost an echo chamber. There's a lot of emotion and a lot of energy. There's an issue where you can almost get into a situation in which, by targeting the bad actors—whom we all agree we want to eliminate—and by going so far, those bad actors suddenly have legal options available to them because the law is so broad and so vague. Suddenly the law—