Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and thank you to both the witnesses for your very compelling testimony and your expertise, which I think can be very helpful to us.
One thing I have somewhat struggled with as I've read the materials and listened to your testimony is getting a more precise understanding of the scope of the problem, recognizing that, as we define the number of children, perhaps there are different ways of defining different groups of children.
I'm going to turn to you, Ms. Howarth.
For example, we are aware that in June, Ukraine provided a list of 339 children unlawfully deported to Russia and sought their immediate and unconditional return. We've heard a wide range of numbers here, so perhaps you could assist us in better understanding how we determine the precise nature of the challenges we currently face.