Maybe just a follow-up, Mr. Chair, is that I would describe our defence military-to-military relations with China as positive but limited.
The recent engagement was with the commander of the Royal Canadian Navy in the spring of 2024. He went to a Western Pacific Naval Symposium, a multinational forum in China, where he met with his counterpart.
Since then, the minister went to the Shangri-La Dialogue in the May afterwards, and my predecessor and I went to the Xiangshan Forum in China in September. We've met with our colleagues from the Office for International Military Cooperation at the major-general rank, so that we can have dialogues to understand where we have frictions and how we communicate displeasure with each other's actions.
In my interactions with the Office for International Military Cooperation, plus the defence attachés here, they've always been courteous and respectful interactions. They allow us to have those frank discussions where they can express their displeasure as we can express our displeasure with their actions.