Evidence of meeting #4 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was north.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Nakimayak  President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)
Kennedy  Executive Director, Oceans North
Whitney Lackenbauer  Professor, Canada Research Chair in the Study of the Canadian North, Trent University, As an Individual
Leuprecht  Professor, Royal Military College of Canada and Queen's University, As an Individual

4:20 p.m.

President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)

Herb Nakimayak

I can probably tell you some stories about hiking that are really entertaining as well. I have a partner who forgot a few things. It's good to see that you're there and that you see the landscape. You see the vastness of it.

When it comes to underwater cabling, in our region, because we're right at the mouth of the Mackenzie River, which is one of the biggest rivers in the world, there's a changing permafrost. There's such a changing environment down below there, in the seabed, that it's insecure to actually run a line across it. We know that it's a risk. When it comes to others, I'm sure that the need to connect is important also.

That leaves the question: Do we have the technology, as Canada, to monitor those lines that are put down? Other countries may have submarines and other types of surveillance that could certainly have that impact.

I think that we need to ensure....

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

Yes. I'm referencing that there's a Russian project called the Polar Express, and it's to lay cable across the Russian sphere of the Arctic. There are two proposals to run cables—one of which would go through the Canadian Arctic—from European-led consortiums.

One is the Far North Fiber project, which is a consortium of companies in Finland, the United States and Japan that would lay a cable between Europe and Asia. The other is a cable that would run through the Canadian Arctic, called Polar Connect, which would run between Europe and North America.

I am wondering if you are at all aware of those projects that are being proposed.

4:20 p.m.

President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)

Herb Nakimayak

We certainly hear a bit of the wording, but we're not fully aware or involved at this time.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

I have a different question to ask.

In the government's Arctic and northern policy framework statement, one of the three priorities was to come to some finality on Canada's international border. We've had disputes with the United States in the Beaufort Sea. We've long had a dispute with the Kingdom of Denmark about Hans Island and the waters surrounding that island. The government committed, in its most recent Arctic foreign policy, to begin negotiations with the United States on the Beaufort Sea boundary and then to finalize the boundary between Canada and Denmark around Hans Island. Could you comment on either one of those two boundary disputes?

4:25 p.m.

President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)

Herb Nakimayak

In all fairness, in this instance, at this moment in time, I would encourage you to work with the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation, which is leading those investigations. We certainly want to support that however we can, but you would have to take that up with the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

In other words, you haven't heard anything about the launch of negotiations with the United States over the Beaufort Sea boundary or about where we are with finalizing the boundary with Denmark. Is that...?

4:25 p.m.

President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)

Herb Nakimayak

I haven't really, as of late.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

What about you, Dr. Kennedy? You have nothing either. Okay.

I don't have any further questions.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you very much, MP Chong.

We will now go to MP Rob Oliphant.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

To the witnesses, I apologize for not being present. Some family obligations kept me working from home today.

I am really glad—I don't know that you're really aware—that this is the start of our Arctic foreign policy study. I think it's really quite wonderful that we are starting the policy with the Inuit Nunangat. I think that is very important. It is also key that you're an international organization. The ICC is an international organization representing Inuit peoples from Alaska through to Russia.

As an Inuit international organization, as opposed to ITK or others that are national organizations, what do you see as your role in fostering dialogue among Inuit people in different countries? How does that work, and what could Canada learn from it?

4:25 p.m.

President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)

Herb Nakimayak

Since you can't be here, maybe you can meet us in Reykjavik for the Arctic Circle Assembly, where we're going to meet with other Arctic ambassadors.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

I was just talking about that today, as a matter of fact. In October, it is a possibility.

4:25 p.m.

President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)

Herb Nakimayak

We hope that you can make it.

Getting back to your question, we know that our role here at ICC is to collaborate with other Inuit in other countries, which we do regularly. We have quarterly meetings. Also, we seem to be the connector between Inuit and other indigenous peoples around the world, and other Arctic indigenous peoples as well.

We find that we've become a conduit—actually a very useful one—to ensure that when it comes to Arctic issues, the protection and the safety of our fellow Canadians is first and foremost everywhere we go. In a way, that's sovereignty working at its best to ensure that we can collaborate and coordinate together with other Arctic states, other Arctic countries and other indigenous peoples around the world who have an interest in the Arctic.

I hope that helps, but I can continue.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

On that, I want to look at the connection or nexus among sovereignty, prosperity, economic development and the environment, and how you are seeing the ICC, in particular, taking on those questions of economic development for the peoples of the four countries.

4:25 p.m.

President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)

Herb Nakimayak

Sometimes we have forums and gatherings, and a lot of times we bring....

First and foremost, even the policies within Canada itself are difficult or almost impossible to work with. I think COVID and the geopolitical state of this world showed us that first, right up front. However, we find that utilizing the Inuit treaty organizations—for them to work collaboratively together to ensure that they are the business people—for what we can do to support them and bring them to where we need them to be, is really important. As I mentioned earlier, we are a conduit, one who can give a safe place, in the right moment, and an opportunity to bring together everybody who needs to be there. Having the right people at the table is very key. First and foremost, that is the most important thing in developing sound policy, especially when it comes to the economic world.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

I'm quite proud of the 2019 strategy as the first codeveloped strategy, really, in Canada, which was integrally codeveloped with indigenous peoples and the Government of Canada. When we brought out the foreign policy review last year, 2024, it had become sacred to not change anything that had been codeveloped, and, as I had consultations in the north, I saw a difference in six years. Have you seen a difference in six years in the way the respect is happening? I know there's more to be done. I'm not looking for a pat on the back. I'm just looking.... Is it effective? Has something attitudinal changed in the way we're doing things?

4:30 p.m.

President, Inuit Circumpolar Council (Canada)

Herb Nakimayak

I think, if anything, it has likely improved for us. We noticed a difference. When we see the services in the communities, business happening in the regions and also the planning together, it is a big difference. Yes...you get a pat on the back right now: For sure, you've done a good job. I would have to say that we are in the best place right now that we possibly could be. Consultation is quite key for us, ensuring that anything that is developed or codeveloped....

When it comes to codevelopment—I come from a comanagement world in the marine environment, and the work we have done with Canada is actually quite amazing and leading around this world—Canada has come a long way in ensuring that comanagement and codevelopment are sound and key. Not changing what you have created with indigenous people is actually quite a respectful way of doing business, in itself, so I think it has been good.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Thank you. I hope to get to Reykjavik.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you, MP Oliphant.

Thank you to our witnesses, President Nakimayak and Dr. Kennedy, for their testimony and for appearing for this study.

This concludes this portion of the meeting. We will suspend briefly, so that we can welcome the next set of witnesses. Thank you very much.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you, everyone. I call this meeting to order.

I would now like to welcome our witnesses for the second hour. They are appearing by video conference.

We have Dr. P. Whitney Lackenbauer, professor, Canada research chair in the study of the Canadian north, Trent University; and Dr. Christian Leuprecht, professor, Royal Military College of Canada and Queen's University.

Up to five minutes will be given for opening remarks, after which we will proceed with rounds of questions.

I now invite Dr. Lackenbauer to make an opening statement of up to five minutes.

P. Whitney Lackenbauer Professor, Canada Research Chair in the Study of the Canadian North, Trent University, As an Individual

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the chance to appear before the committee today.

We find ourselves in a world of intensifying geostrategic competition. Certainly, Arctic affairs have felt the effects of this over the last few years. Today, the prospects for truly circumpolar co-operation are constrained by geopolitical realities.

We think back to 2019. In the Arctic northern policy framework, Russia was framed as a potential Arctic partner. Now it is clearly acknowledged as an adversary with whom there can be no business as usual, given its brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine. It has actively disregarded sovereignty, territorial integrity and international law in what we've seen in the war in Europe, and—

Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order. The pace is too fast and the interpreters are having difficulty keeping up. Would it be possible to slow down?

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

For the benefit of our interpreters, please slow down.

4:40 p.m.

Professor, Canada Research Chair in the Study of the Canadian North, Trent University, As an Individual

P. Whitney Lackenbauer

Very happily.

Any lingering ideas about Arctic exceptionalism and the region being inherently insulated from global geopolitical dynamics are now very out of date in my view, so I disagree fundamentally with Dr. Kennedy, who appeared earlier, on this particular point.

“Canada's Arctic Foreign Policy”, released last December, has three general intentions: asserting Canada's sovereignty, advancing our interests in the region and promoting a stable, prosperous and secure north. These are long-standing priorities, but how we are advancing our interests and promoting stability and security are what's changing.

Flowing from this, I want to take a few minutes to lay out what I see as the key elements of Canada's Arctic foreign policy that are the same as before, along with what has changed and what is new.

What's the same? The desire for Arctic state primacy is a long-standing priority that insists that the Arctic states are best positioned and equipped to understand the region and its peoples.

Reiterating that Canada remains committed to upholding the rules-based international order in the Arctic and that maritime claims are addressed in a manner consistent with international law gestures to the legality of our long-standing position on the Northwest Passage as historic internal waters. It also speaks to our submission in support of our extended continental shelf.

We can talk more about sovereignty later, but Canada's position is strong and long-standing, and I see no need for or benefit to revisiting or revising it substantively. Let's show some confidence.

There is the promise to secure Canada's national interests and ensure stability and prosperity for indigenous people who live in the Arctic. All recent governments have had a similar strategic intent, going back to Jean Chrétien and even before.

We see the United States framed as Canada's “greatest ally” and our “closest partner and ally in the Arctic”. Our foreign policy reinforces how close partnership with the Americans is essential to maintaining a secure, strong and well-defended North American homeland on which our mutual prosperity depends. Obviously, the re-election of Donald Trump has injected uncertainty into the mix, which we'll discuss later.

We also retain language designating the Arctic Council as the pre-eminent forum for Arctic co-operation while explaining that some of the high politics in the meetings remain on pause. We heard in the last session that climate change is a central theme characterized as both the most pressing and the most proximate threat to Canada's security in the Arctic, but I think the leakages between climate change and national security remain vague, and we might talk about that.

Furthermore, the policy adopts a whole-of-government or a whole-of-society framework, acknowledging that if we're going to address the complex range of threats facing the Arctic, we can't conceptualize security only in military terms. This entails working with Public Safety Canada—Mr. Blair, that is your former portfolio, of course—to support efforts to strengthen Canadian national resilience, to counter the malign influence and activities of foreign powers, to strengthen defence of critical infrastructure and to protect northern communities against foreign interference. All of this is very important. To me, these are the kinds of issues that are the clear and present danger we're facing as Canadians.

What has changed? We are now explicit in acknowledging the relevance and importance of NATO in the Arctic region, and talk of protecting the alliance's northern and western flanks opens up some new areas for thinking about the Arctic in securing alliance territory more generally. Russia, as I said, is now a competitor that we're stating seeks to undermine the rules-based international order.

China is now positioned as a non-Arctic state competitor and a challenger to Arctic state supremacy that we can expect will use all the tools at its disposal to advance its geopolitical interests, including in the Arctic. There is a lot of concern about China deploying dual-use research vessels and surveillance platforms to collect data, as well as actions that represent malign economic influence. At the same time, our policy is mature in leaving space for pragmatic diplomacy, where we're challenging China where we ought to, and also in being able to co-operate where interests align, such as in addressing pressing global issues like climate change, which have impacts on the Arctic.

We also astutely note, “While the risk of military attack [is] low, the region represents a geographic vector for traditional and emerging weapons systems”. This is not new, but we're now much more attentive to the fact that adversaries and competitors are employing “disinformation and influence campaigns, malicious cyber operations and espionage and foreign interference [that] target Canadians, including northerners.” This cannot be ignored.

I love that we include the Coast Guard as a partner in defence and security and its important role in maintaining awareness.

I'll have to save for questions and answers what I see as new in this, but that'll get us started.

I'll pass it over to you, Dr. Leuprecht.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you very much, Professor.

I now invite Dr. Leuprecht to make an opening statement of up to five minutes.