Evidence of meeting #40 for Foreign Affairs and International Development in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Sharp  Assistant Director, Admissibility Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Brookfield  Director General, Sanctions and Strategic Export Controls, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Budnisky  Senior Director, Communication Legislative and Regulatory Policy, Department of Canadian Heritage

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Go ahead, Anita.

Anita Vandenbeld Liberal Ottawa West—Nepean, ON

Thank you. I know it's already been voted on, but I did wish to speak to that.

I just wanted to say that as Parliament, we have this power already. I've been on the subcommittee on international human rights, and at the end of our reports, we name different people who should be sanctioned. We then request a government response.

Parliament already has this power.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Thank you.

(Clause 7 as amended agreed to)

(On clause 8)

Go ahead, Mr. Oliphant.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

We have an amendment for clause 8.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Is there unanimous consent not to have Mr. Oliphant read the amendments? That way we can move faster.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Okay.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

I am proposing the deletion of clause 8 because of the problem of machinery of government again and the policy directive of telling the RCMP or FINTRAC to do something to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, which would take it out of the appropriate wheelhouse for their activity.

It's not an amendment. It's a deletion.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Shall clause 8 be negatived?

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I would like to speak to—

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I want to point out that the deletion is not in our package.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

They're voting against the clause.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

I understand, but it is in order.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

It is in order. I was thinking amendment, but I guess I have a paper here. It's not a deletion. We will be voting against the clause. Sorry, that was my mistake.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I'd like to speak to why it's important to have it.

Part of it is that if you look at the performance report of Global Affairs Canada's sanctions operations of 2018-24, it says, “Canada's sanctions legislation did not articulate a role for the FINTRAC”, which is clause 9. Clause 8 says we need to work with “improved coordination with other government departments,” such as the RCMP, FINTRAC and CBSA.

That's what this is all about. It addresses the concerns that were raised in the performance report and the evaluation of Global Affairs Canada's sanctions operations. The report said that, looking at reports coming from the Senate and House of Commons committees, there was “a lack of clarity of departmental roles in sanctions enforcement. An underlying issue is the tension between authority and power for enforcement.”

This is helping address those shortfalls. All we're asking for is better reporting between these government agencies to ensure that the sanctions bureau is operating across the responsibilities within the whole-of-government approach.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Are there any further comments on clause 8?

(Clause 8 negatived on division)

(On clause 9)

We're on clause 9.

Go ahead, Mr. Chong.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

Mr. Chair, I'd like to move amendment CPC-3.

Sorry. There's a new clause, clause 9.1.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

We have to deal with clause 9 first, and then we'll go to 9.1.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

I would add that I believe you will find that CPC-3 and G-5 are similar. They are very close, so I think we'll be finding agreement on that.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

We're not there yet. We still have to deal with clause 9.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Before we get to 9.1, I'd advise you we'll be voting against clause 9, just so you know. There'll be a new clause that will replace 9, which is no longer 9 anyway.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

All right.

(Clause 9 negatived on division)

Now we can go to new clause 9.1 and amendment CPC-3.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills North, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I move CPC-3.

The Chair Liberal Ahmed Hussen

Are there any comments or debate on CPC-3?

Since CPC-3 was moved, G-5 cannot be moved, as they are identical. That deals with the next item.

Rob Oliphant Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Could we get advice, Mr. Chair, from the legislative clerk?

We think CPC-3 and G-5 are so similar that we would simply withdraw G-5. Is that how that would work?