I'm afraid I read it differently. It says, first of all, that “The Governor in Council must, by order under subsection (1), issue to the Commission a direction that state-controlled broadcasters”—and this is undefined; we're still not always sure exactly what state-controlled and not state-controlled are, because some of them are grey—“from foreign states that have committed [these atrocities] not be on the List”. It's not giving discretion to the CRTC. It gives a direction saying that if this has happened, they are no longer on the list, so they're taken off with no recourse, no hearings, no anything.
What I would say is that we, on this side of the House, have heard and seen it. I think we have to go back to the government to say that if this is defeated here, the government—not this committee necessarily—has some work to do on the Broadcasting Act so that Canadians have a way into this discussion to find out how we can ensure that our broadcasting system is not used by malevolent state actors. I think it's a good warning. It's a good signal. We just think that this is not the appropriate place to do it, and it is going to be difficult. We would be against the amendment; even if the amendment failed, we would still be against clauses 23 and 24.
