Evidence of meeting #52 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreements.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Liliane Saint Pierre  Assistant Deputy Minister, Acquisitions, Department of Public Works and Government Services
George Butts  Director General, Services and Specialized Acquisitions Management Sector, Acquisitions, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Marshall Moffat  Director General, Small and Medium Enterprises Sector, Department of Public Works and Government Services
Elaine Feldman  Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal
Randy Heggart  Director of Procurement Review, Canadian International Trade Tribunal
Reagan Walker  General Counsel, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

No, I don't think we've really gotten a full response on that.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Fine, but I think you've gotten the similar response--

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

I think you're saying that whether or not I'm comfortable, my time has expired.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Your time has expired. I'm just trying to be reasonable.

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NDP

Peggy Nash NDP Parkdale—High Park, ON

Saved by the bell.

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Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Daryl Kramp

Next, Mr. Poilievre.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Just so I understand how your mandate came to be, with regard to domestic procurement controversies, did your organization assume the mandate that had previously been covered by the Procurement Review Board?

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Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

All right. And with the coming into force of the procurement ombudsman, it's been a while since I've read the Accountability Act--we actually went through it line by line in a similar committee--but what enforcement powers does he or she have to their decisions regarding procurement disputes? Or are they simply recommendations that are made public?

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Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

I'm sorry, but, again, I can't speak to that because I don't deal with that. I can only speak to matters that fall within the mandate of the tribunal.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

So you don't see any change at all in the way your tribunal functions as a result of the coming into force of the procurement ombudsman?

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Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

That's correct.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Okay. You said that your decisions are appealable to the Federal Court. Are those appeals de novo, or are they just reviews that inspect whether there are errors in fact or law?

May 17th, 2007 / 5:10 p.m.

Reagan Walker General Counsel, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Thank you for the question.

It's limited to judicial review.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

It's judicial review. So it's just errors in fact and law that—

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General Counsel, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Reagan Walker

It's limited to errors of law, but including whether or not there was sufficient evidence to support the factual conclusions, for example, being considered an error of law. Basically, it's a determination of whether or not the tribunal was patently unreasonable in reaching a conclusion based on the evidence before it, whether the tribunal strayed beyond its jurisdiction, and the usual types of judicial reviews that quasi-judicial tribunals are subjected to.

It's the Federal Court of Appeal, by the way, not the Federal Court.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Thank you for the distinction.

So in layman's terms, it determines whether or not the tribunal made a specific error. It does not start from scratch.

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General Counsel, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

The multilateral agreement on procurement is the basis upon which your tribunal operates. Is that correct?

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Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

No, we operate on the basis of domestic legislation, which refers back to the international agreements. There's a CITT Act.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Okay. Can you list the agreements, then, the legislation is predicated upon?

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Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

Well, it covers the obligations that are found originally in the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, now subsumed by the NAFTA, the World Trade Organization's Agreement on Government Procurement, and the Agreement on Internal Trade, which is not an international agreement.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Okay. Can you list that last one?

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Vice-Chair, Canadian International Trade Tribunal

Elaine Feldman

The Agreement on Internal Trade is an agreement between the federal and provincial governments.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Was the multilateral agreement on procurement done under the rubric of WTO?