Evidence of meeting #29 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was report.
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Bloc
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Derek Lee
Sorry, I'm on a point of order, Monsieur Roy.
The 48-hour rule governs a motion that's put forward, but if the committee moves to take up a matter of business, in the face of there not being 48 hours' notice, it's free to do it. It is free to do it as a committee, and this committee just a few minutes ago voted to entertain a motion.
Conservative
Paul Calandra Conservative Oak Ridges—Markham, ON
So then it's safe to say--sorry, because I know you're very good on procedure--
Conservative
Conservative
Paul Calandra Conservative Oak Ridges—Markham, ON
Okay, and then we'll go to another one after. No, that's fine, we'll go to Monsieur Roy's point of order.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Derek Lee
This may or may not set a precedent. I don't think it does--chair rulings don't.
Monsieur Roy, on a point of order.
Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
Mr. Chair, you did not have to respond to that intervention because we were debating the motion and not the procedure. We have to get back to the debate on the motion. If there is no debate on the motion, once again, I call the question.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Derek Lee
The chair agrees with that.
Is there any further debate on Ms. Hall Findlay's motion?
Conservative
Patrick Brown Conservative Barrie, ON
I want a clarification, too, for future reference. Is changing the date--
Liberal
Conservative
Patrick Brown Conservative Barrie, ON
No, it is, actually. It's in regard to your motion. Is that your ruling?
I didn't interrupt you, Martha, so I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't interrupt me when I make a brief comment.
Is changing the date considered substantially different so that...? It's the exact same motion except for changing the date, just so we know.
Liberal
Martha Hall Findlay Liberal Willowdale, ON
With respect, two-thirds of the motion was deleted, so it is materially different. In fact, those two were deleted because it was done at the request of Mr. Warkentin. This is a materially different motion from the one originally proposed.
Monsieur Roy has pointed out that the issue now is that the motion is there and it is to be debated, Mr. Chair. This has all been voted on. It would be helpful if we could actually now debate the motion itself.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Derek Lee
Okay. The question is not whether it's materially different--is it different--the motion is different. No one is arguing that it is the same motion as the one adopted two days ago, or the one that was disposed of earlier in the meeting. It's a different motion.
So, now, is there any further debate?
Mr. Anders.
Conservative
Rob Anders Conservative Calgary West, AB
I'm wondering, I felt that your response to Mr. Calandra was questionable with regard to whether or not you're setting a precedent.
Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
A point of order.
That has nothing to do with it. We are discussing the substance of the motion now, not the procedure.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Derek Lee
We're certainly debating the motion. Monsieur Roy is correct, and Mr. Anders says he wants to debate it.
Conservative
Rob Anders Conservative Calgary West, AB
Mr. Chairman, I'm not sure that was an accurate or fair description or ruling on your part, and I'm wondering whether Mr. Calandra would like a vote to challenge the chair with regard to his explanation or findings on that.
Bloc
Jean-Yves Roy Bloc Haute-Gaspésie—La Mitis—Matane—Matapédia, QC
That is procedure, Mr. Chair. I am sorry, we cannot go back to procedure.
Liberal
Conservative
Rob Anders Conservative Calgary West, AB
I'm trying to figure out whether Mr. Calandra would like to have a vote on the challenge of the chair part of that.