Evidence of meeting #18 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gillani.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jim Wright  Chairman, Wright Tech Systems
Ian Harvey  As an Individual

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

We had been told on a few occasions that funding was imminent. It's coming; we're right there, we're so close. But we failed to get any delivery on any of that.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

You're talking from January, when you started your relationship--

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

From February.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Or February, when you started your relationship.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

We got a little concerned as to whether we were going to see a public listing, whether we were going to see funding by a public raise, or private raise, for that matter. I'm not sure at what point Mr. Snowdy had started on behalf of his friend, but--

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

It was on behalf of his friend, not on behalf of HD Solutions?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

No, it wasn't on behalf of the company. We wanted to know, as individuals, what was happening to our business. We didn't sign an agreement with them or remunerate them, or anything like that.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

When Mr. Snowdy came to you or to your colleague or your associate with the information he had collected on Mr. Gillani, what made you decide, or judge, that he should go and present this information to the Conservative Party's lawyer, Mr. Hamilton?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

What alerted you to that? From what you've said so far, Mr. Jaffer had been, yes, showing a certain possibility of influence, but not outright saying he would open doors to government. So what made you think it would be appropriate for Mr. Snowdy to go and share whatever information he had collected on Mr. Gillani with the Conservative Party lawyer? Mr. Gillani had nothing to do with the Conservative Party.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

As far as I knew, he did neither.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

But he did.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

But with what Mr. Snowdy had come across, I told him to use his discretion--

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

And what did he come across?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

--and he disclosed whatever he needed to, to the Conservative Party, to the Liberal Party, to the RCMP for that matter.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

What did he disclose, or what did he find that was...?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

He never told me. I don't know what he had, outside of the stuff that was pertinent to our business. Anything that he had that was related to whether there was influence peddling... Outside of what we knew, there was nothing that he had information-wise that he shared with us.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

But for you to direct him to whichever political party, you had to have had some idea that whatever he had found out would have an impact on government, on parliamentary business, so what did you find out? He must have told you something.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

He didn't disclose what it is that he had, only that it could be incriminating toward people who were involved in government. I said, you know, if you feel it's appropriate, share it. It didn't have anything to do with our business, and frankly, we were so far down the road by April 8, by the time that article had come out, it didn't have any bearing on me. It was a quick conversation. He basically said, “Am I okay to go and share what I have with the government?” I said, “Sure. If it's a matter of national concern, then by all means.”

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

You never found out any details.

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

No, I don't know any details about what he's got.

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Did you speak with the RCMP yourself?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

What did you share with the RCMP?

5:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

Some of what I've shared here today, with respect to--