Evidence of meeting #18 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was gillani.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jim Wright  Chairman, Wright Tech Systems
Ian Harvey  As an Individual

5:15 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Mr. Gillani.

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As an Individual

Ian Harvey

No, the matter at hand with Mr. Jaffer. The stuff with respect to Mr. Gillani, as I said before, I don't want to jeopardize anything that's ongoing there.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

But with Mr. Jaffer, why did the RCMP contact you on Mr. Jaffer?

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As an Individual

Ian Harvey

Because they were made aware that we were party to this representation, from what I understand. Again, I can't speak for them. The status of their investigation is probably something you'd want to inquire of them.

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Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Yasmin Ratansi

Mr. Nadeau, for five minutes.

5:20 p.m.

Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr. Harvey, if I understand this correctly, the Jaffer, Glémaud and Gillani threesome, so to speak, managed to bring you to bankruptcy last December.

5:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Ian Harvey

This was one of a series of events. Again, I can't say anything about Mr. Glémaud. I've never met him in my life, so I don't know.

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

Glémaud, you don't know.

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As an Individual

Ian Harvey

And Mr. Jaffer, as I said, I've met him once.

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

You met Mr. Jaffer—we talked about it earlier, but it came up again—through Mr. Gillani. So you met with Mr. Gillani a dozen times. That is what you said earlier.

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As an Individual

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

Okay.

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As an Individual

Ian Harvey

More than that. Dozens is correct.

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

Dozens and dozens.

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As an Individual

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

You met with him a number of times, we'll stick to that. Could you say with conviction that Mr. Jaffer played a tangible role for your company, collaboratively or alone? Did he do anything for your company?

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As an Individual

Ian Harvey

No. Nothing was ever achieved through any of this discussion around government funding.

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

Did he promise to do something?

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As an Individual

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

He did not promise anything?

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As an Individual

Ian Harvey

Outside of what was in that e-mail...?

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

Yes.

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As an Individual

Ian Harvey

Again, the question remains whether Mr. Gillani made that representation alone or whether he had been instructed by Mr. Jaffer as to terms and conditions we could expect. You can draw your own conclusion as a reasonable person as to who would be making that representation.

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Bloc

Richard Nadeau Bloc Gatineau, QC

There was possibility of representation by Mr. Jaffer, but it was not really definite.