Evidence of meeting #35 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was mail.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Gary Gosine  Mayor, Town of Wabana
Craig Dyer  President, Local 126, Canadian Union of Postal Workers
Kimberly Yetman Dawson  Executive Director, Empower, The Disability Resource Centre
Emily Christy  Executive Director, Newfoundland and Labrador, Coalition of Persons with Disabilities
Sharron Callahan  Chair, St. John's-Avalon Chapter, Canadian Association of Retired Persons

8:35 p.m.

Executive Director, Empower, The Disability Resource Centre

Kimberly Yetman Dawson

I can speak about my parents.

They live in Southern Bay, and they're about 40 minutes from a bank. They're seniors as well. They're actually considering moving to Clarenville or coming to St. John's because of banking and health services. They plot their doctor's appointments and their medical appointments around their banking.

It would be extremely beneficial for people with disabilities and seniors to have access to banking at a post office. As Emily said, you're getting a great return on investment when you already have the people and the infrastructure there.

8:35 p.m.

Chair, St. John's-Avalon Chapter, Canadian Association of Retired Persons

Sharron Callahan

I would concur.

The same thing applies to seniors. The banks are moving out of rural communities. They're just big corporations now, especially with all the technology that is available with smart phones and everything else. You can do so much with technology, but some people still require a machine where they can deposit their cheques and do their banking.

8:35 p.m.

NDP

Erin Weir NDP Regina—Lewvan, SK

Absolutely.

Ms. Callahan, I feel that your presentation was somewhat constrained by time. Do you have any further points you'd like to make if you were given a bit more time?

8:35 p.m.

Chair, St. John's-Avalon Chapter, Canadian Association of Retired Persons

Sharron Callahan

No. I did cut short a couple of points. My colleagues have fairly well covered it, because the communities of seniors and the disabled have similar challenges. I ended up talking about the need to replace locks and everything else. I did a very quick synopsis of what I was going to say.

8:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Tom Lukiwski

Thank you very much.

Mr. Ayoub, you have seven minutes. Please go ahead.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, ladies, for joining us this evening. I'm delighted to have the opportunity to hear what you have to say.

Please know how empathetic I am to people with mobility issues or disabilities.

Now I'd like to get down to the fun stuff, not that this is a game—far from it. What we're doing here is very serious, but I'd like to issue you a challenge, if you will. As I listen to people speak, I am, of course, very sensitive to their situations. At the same time, however, I'd like to get answers to questions that may be a bit more complicated or difficult. I'd like to hear your opinion so that we can get a real sense of what's going on and ultimately make recommendations to the government.

We all know that service quality is important, as you indicated quite clearly. Canada Post provides what appears to be an essential service. People with mobility issues and disabilities have numerous requests at all levels. Today, though, we are talking about Canada Post. If you had to prioritize some of the most essential services, where on the priority list would you put the service provided by Canada Post? Where on the list of needs that people with disabilities have would home mail delivery fall?

Ms. Dawson, would you care to go first? Then, the others can respond.

8:40 p.m.

Executive Director, Empower, The Disability Resource Centre

Kimberly Yetman Dawson

If I understand your question, you're asking what the most important service is that Canada Post should be delivering.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Not Canada Post particularly. I'd like to know, with respect to services for the disabled, what the ranking of Canada Post would be if you had to choose between Canada Post and something else. What is the ranking of Canada Post as a service?

8:40 p.m.

Executive Director, Empower, The Disability Resource Centre

Kimberly Yetman Dawson

It's extremely important. Most of our consumers are isolated and book medical appointments using Canada Post.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

But you don't have a ranking of service?

8:40 p.m.

Executive Director, Empower, The Disability Resource Centre

Kimberly Yetman Dawson

No.

Change, I think, is very difficult—

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

It's very difficult. I know that.

8:40 p.m.

Executive Director, Empower, The Disability Resource Centre

Kimberly Yetman Dawson

—and I don't think it was communicated effectively. People with disabilities and seniors like the status quo.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Madam Christy, would you comment?

8:40 p.m.

Executive Director, Newfoundland and Labrador, Coalition of Persons with Disabilities

Emily Christy

I would say it's hard to rank, because Canada Post is almost the network between those essential services you need: your health services, how you hear about your appointments—

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

I'm not talking about Canada Post in general. I'm talking about home delivery, because you need Canada Post, that's for sure. There is no going back on that. What is the ranking for the importance of home delivery, especially in regard to disabilities?

8:40 p.m.

Executive Director, Newfoundland and Labrador, Coalition of Persons with Disabilities

Emily Christy

It's very individualized, I think, for people with disabilities, but I think our stance is that home delivery is an essential part of delivering equitable service to people with disabilities. Home delivery ranks above other accessible services.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Okay.

Madam Callahan, is it the same thing for you?

8:40 p.m.

Chair, St. John's-Avalon Chapter, Canadian Association of Retired Persons

Sharron Callahan

The arguments are very similar, because seniors are very nostalgic and are very tied to services that they've been used to getting. Also, as you get older, it becomes more difficult to publicly access services.

8:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Okay.

I'm going to go back into French, if you don't mind.

You represent seniors and retirees, some of whom have disabilities. I gather that people can join your association beginning at age 50 or 55. Is that correct, Ms. Callahan?

8:40 p.m.

Chair, St. John's-Avalon Chapter, Canadian Association of Retired Persons

Sharron Callahan

The age really depends on whether you consider yourself to be retired from the workforce. CARP's age is 50-ish plus, but a lot of people don't consider themselves to be seniors until they're actually in receipt of the old age pension or something like that. It's more the—

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

That's the point I want to make.

8:45 p.m.

Chair, St. John's-Avalon Chapter, Canadian Association of Retired Persons

Sharron Callahan

—upper age group, the older person.

8:45 p.m.

Liberal

Ramez Ayoub Liberal Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Did you prioritize the service for certain...? It's not age, because your membership is maybe 50 to 55 to 80 to 85 and 90, until the end of their—

8:45 p.m.

Chair, St. John's-Avalon Chapter, Canadian Association of Retired Persons

Sharron Callahan

I would not want to make a qualification on the basis of age only, because there are many complexities that impact on age. There are some very healthy and active 80-year-olds and some very—