Evidence of meeting #97 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was business.

A video is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Vaughn Brennan  Professional Consultant, As an Individual

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Good afternoon, everyone. Happy new year.

I call this meeting to order. Welcome to meeting number 97 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates, also known as the mighty OGGO.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, October 17, 2022, the committee is meeting on the study of the ArriveCAN application.

I will remind you to not put earpieces next to the microphones, as that causes feedback and potential injury. I will also inform everyone that the witness appearing by video conference has completed the required connection tests in advance of the meeting.

We have Mr. Brennan joining us virtually.

I believe you're in Toronto, Mr. Brennan. I understand that you have an opening statement for five minutes. Please go ahead, sir. The floor is yours.

12:05 p.m.

Vaughn Brennan Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Thank you.

Mr. Chair and honourable members of the committee, my name is Vaughn Brennan. I am grateful to be here today and for the opportunity to respond to the claims and allegations made against me in the media and in testimony given by others who have appeared before the committee.

The story is compelling, but the allegations levelled against me are false. It’s been said that I am a political insider who rubs shoulders with ADMs. I’ve been referred to as the man who developed the $500-million business case that led to the creation of Shared Services Canada and as a lobbyist with extensive government connections in Ottawa. Concerns have been expressed regarding comments I made about millions of dollars being “a drop in the bucket”.

Mr. Chair and honourable members of the committee, I am not a lobbyist; nor have I ever been a lobbyist. I have been working as a professional consultant in Ottawa for over 20 years, and I have made some contacts during that time. However, I do not rub shoulders with ADMs and do not have extensive government connections; nor have I ever claimed to.

The suggestion that I am Mr. Firth’s mentor is false. I am not Mr. Firth’s mentor; nor have I ever been his mentor. I do not know Mr. Firth personally, but I have dealt with him professionally several times over the years. I can’t speak to conversations between the witnesses and/or to witnesses and reports, as I wasn’t privy to them. However, I reiterate that the claims and allegations raised against me are false.

I’m a professional consultant, husband and father. As a professional consultant, I work with both the public and private sectors in the national capital region. In the public sector, my services include demonstrating how Government of Canada priorities and direction will align with industry standards and best practices, business architecture consolidation, change management, organizational design, and business and IM/IT transformations.

I met Mr. Firth over 10 years ago and have maintained a professional relationship with him. Mr. Firth contacts me with work opportunities that he feels might fit my skill set. Over the past 10 years I have completed two separate pieces of work through GC Strategies for the CBSA.

First, I developed an inventory of transformation projects for the transformation office, following industry-standard change management principles. Second, I identified how the CBSA could standardize the adoption of the Agile project management approach across the department for greater efficiencies.

It was Mr. Firth who introduced me to Botler—Ms. Dutt and Mr. Morv—in November 2019. In September of this year, Mr. Curry from The Globe and Mail informed me of allegations of fraudulent invoices and résumés relating to Ms. Dutt and Mr. Morv's engagement on a task authorization associated with a contract awarded to Dalian and Coradix.

I was not listed on the TA or subcontracted by Ms. Dutt and Mr. Morv to work on the feasibility study. My contract was directly with Botler to provide advisory services, research assistance, document compilation and report writing.

After our meeting in 2019, I spoke and interacted with Ms. Dutt and Mr. Morv on occasion. I was thrilled to work with Botler, a small Canadian business whose strategy might help the federal government prevent and handle harassment-related issues. I was asked to draft a marketing letter addressed to Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland. The letter was amended by Botler and GC Strategies, at which point we talked about sending it to Minister Freeland’s chief of staff as well. The Government of Canada Employee Directory Services, or GEDS, available to all Canadians on the Government of Canada website, was used to make sure Botler’s marketing approach aligned with the hierarchy in the DPMO's office. The majority of our marketing discussions were based on hypothetical scenarios.

In early 2021 I signed a contract with Botler—spanning February 1, 2021 to August 1, 2021—to support Botler’s research and marketing strategies. In total, I invoiced Botler $2,565.10 for my services.

It’s been stated that I mentioned a licensing fee as being “a drop in the bucket”. While this is accurate, my statement has been misinterpreted. My remark was conjectural and based on the results of a review of publicly available data regarding harassment concerns at the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Department of National Defence, Correctional Service Canada and the Canada Border Services Agency, as well as on the findings outlined in the Auditor General’s report. For example, in September 2022 the Federal Court of Canada certified a $1.1-billion class action lawsuit against the RCMP over allegations of bullying and harassment.

I was invited to testify before the committee regarding the CBSA ArriveCAN app on October 31, 2023. I initially declined the invitation because the narrative was around the ArriveCAN app. I have never worked on the ArriveCAN app.

My personal and professional lives have suffered greatly because of attacks on my reputation and integrity over the past several months. This has negatively impacted my wife’s, my children’s and my mental health and well-being.

Mr. Chair and members of the committee, I thank you for the opportunity to address the claims made about me and to share the facts openly and honestly.

Thank you.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thank you, Mr. Brennan.

We'll start with Mrs. Kusie for six minutes.

Mrs. Kusie, I wish you a happy new year.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Mr. Chair, I wish a happy new year to you, to all committee members who are here today and to those who are subbing in for other committee members.

It's a pleasure to have the government operations committee functioning once again. Congratulations to everyone on the committee for having it named the best committee in the House of Commons. That's a big achievement for everyone.

Mr. Brennan, thank you very much for taking the opportunity to be here today.

ArriveCAN has plagued this nation. This is the touchstone of scandal in a government that has become synonymous with scandal. I could go on and on about other scandals that we've seen, for example, the green slush fund and the WE Charity scandal. As a result of these scandals, so many individuals, including current and former Liberal ministers, have been thrown under the bus. This week in The Globe and Mail, we saw that two public servants have also been thrown under the bus by the Liberal government, because Liberal ministers are not willing to take responsibility for their oversight of the ArriveCAN scandal. In this particular case, it has led to CBSA and RCMP investigations. These continue to plague not only former employees of the CBSA and the public safety department but also individuals throughout the public service who are asked about their willingness to speak up as to what they have seen, their communication with senior executives and their communication with ministers.

The unfortunate thing is that, in our uncovering of this over the fall, most of the feedback I received personally and on my social media was related to you and your relationship with the Deputy Prime Minister and her office. I think that this is only one of many individuals who are implicated in this scandal, not to mention these two individuals who were able to skim $11 million by working in their basement and doing very little. As well, they committed crimes of fraudulent résumé changing and perhaps even collusion.

We have you here today because we fundamentally want to get to the “who” at the highest level.

Mr. Brennan, you have begun some of this in your testimony, and I thank you for doing that. How many executives would you say you know personally in the Canadian public service?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

Would you like these by title, with approximate numbers?

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Sure.

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

I did a search in my phone for ADMs I cross paths with and I found three.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Okay. Which ones were they, please?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

As for directors general, I would have to go back and look.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Which departments were those, please?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

They would have been people I've done work for.

It would have been PSPC, and two of the three people are retired.

As far as DGs go, I found eight projects that I had done in the past.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Eight individuals or eight projects with those three ADMs?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

It was three projects with those three ADMs and eight projects with DGs that I had contact with. Again, most of those people have retired. I deal primarily with directors and managers.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

What is the nature of these relationships that you have with these executives within the federal government?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

Because I'm a business architect with change management and a skill set that focuses primarily on business process engineering, it has to do with government resource management. This would include HR, finance and how we work through reconnecting or connecting and consolidating business processes.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Do you ever have more informal meetings, say, over coffee?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

No, never.

Primarily, the work that I do is literally at the working level.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Moving on from executives in the federal government, what connections do you have to current Liberal ministers and their staff?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

Absolutely none.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Then how is it that you were able to connect with the Deputy Prime Minister's office?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

I never connected with the Deputy Prime Minister's office.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Why was it implied in the media that you did?

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

Again, it was misquoted.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Stephanie Kusie Conservative Calgary Midnapore, AB

Did you say it? Are you saying what you said wasn't accurate, or are you saying that—

12:15 p.m.

Professional Consultant, As an Individual

Vaughn Brennan

It was a text taken out of context.