Government Operations Committee on Jan. 18th, 2024

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

How did you let them know—emails, a telephone call, a letter?

[Erin O'Gorman]

I called them and I indicated—

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

When did you call?

[Erin O'Gorman]

It was soon after I received it. I received the package on December 19.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

Did you follow up with an email?

[Erin O'Gorman]

Possibly....

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

You'll provide this committee with any and all matters of communication to those two deputy heads surrounding the preliminary findings from your investigators in your ministry. Can you do that? Can you hand that over to us within two weeks?

[Erin O'Gorman]

Yes.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

Did they communicate back to you?

[Erin O'Gorman]

They told me after the fact the decision they had taken.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

They communicated that they took the decision to suspend without pay.

[Erin O'Gorman]

They informed me that they had taken actions.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

In what manner did they communicate that to you?

[Erin O'Gorman]

It was in a phone call, as I recall.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

There was nothing official—no email, no letter—just a phone call.

[Erin O'Gorman]

There would be no reason to inform me officially. They are the deputy heads of those employees.

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

Right. They were taking the most drastic of remedies—

[The Chair, Conservative, Kelly McCauley]

Can you wrap up, Mr. Brock?

[Larry Brock, Conservative, Brantford—Brant, ON]

—against these two whistle-blowers who spoke truth to power, and they only communicated that via telephone.

[Erin O'Gorman]

The employees work for them.

[The Chair, Conservative, Kelly McCauley]

Thank you, Mr. Brock.

Mr. Bains, we'll go over to you, please.

[Parm Bains, Liberal, Steveston—Richmond East, BC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm going to go back to Mr. Ossowski.

You were trying to inform us a little bit about the ArriveCAN app and the centralization of it in order for it to not fall through cracks of airport and provincial apps. Could you maybe finish that? I think you were trying to—

[The Chair, Conservative, Kelly McCauley]

I'm sorry. Let me interrupt you, Mr. Bains, for a moment. I'll stop the clock.

Madam Vignola.

[Julie Vignola, Bloc, Beauport—Limoilou, QC]

The sound is too bad for the interpreters. I would very much like to hear my colleague's questions. Could Mr. Bains bring his microphone closer to his mouth so that I can hear his questions through the interpretation?

[Parm Bains, Liberal, Steveston—Richmond East, BC]

Is this good, or do I need to speak a little bit longer?