Evidence of meeting #98 for Government Operations and Estimates in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was investigation.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Erin O'Gorman  President, Canada Border Services Agency
John Ossowski  As an Individual

1:40 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

How did you let them know—emails, a telephone call, a letter?

1:40 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

I called them and I indicated—

1:40 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

When did you call?

1:40 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

It was soon after I received it. I received the package on December 19.

1:40 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Did you follow up with an email?

1:40 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

Possibly....

1:40 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

You'll provide this committee with any and all matters of communication to those two deputy heads surrounding the preliminary findings from your investigators in your ministry. Can you do that? Can you hand that over to us within two weeks?

1:45 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Did they communicate back to you?

1:45 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

They told me after the fact the decision they had taken.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

They communicated that they took the decision to suspend without pay.

1:45 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

They informed me that they had taken actions.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

In what manner did they communicate that to you?

1:45 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

It was in a phone call, as I recall.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

There was nothing official—no email, no letter—just a phone call.

1:45 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

There would be no reason to inform me officially. They are the deputy heads of those employees.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

Right. They were taking the most drastic of remedies—

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Can you wrap up, Mr. Brock?

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

—against these two whistle-blowers who spoke truth to power, and they only communicated that via telephone.

1:45 p.m.

President, Canada Border Services Agency

Erin O'Gorman

The employees work for them.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

Thank you, Mr. Brock.

Mr. Bains, we'll go over to you, please.

January 18th, 2024 / 1:45 p.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Steveston—Richmond East, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'm going to go back to Mr. Ossowski.

You were trying to inform us a little bit about the ArriveCAN app and the centralization of it in order for it to not fall through cracks of airport and provincial apps. Could you maybe finish that? I think you were trying to—

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kelly McCauley

I'm sorry. Let me interrupt you, Mr. Bains, for a moment. I'll stop the clock.

Madam Vignola.

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Julie Vignola Bloc Beauport—Limoilou, QC

The sound is too bad for the interpreters. I would very much like to hear my colleague's questions. Could Mr. Bains bring his microphone closer to his mouth so that I can hear his questions through the interpretation?

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Steveston—Richmond East, BC

Is this good, or do I need to speak a little bit longer?