Evidence of meeting #17 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Orencsak  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Hamzawi  President, Public Health Agency of Canada
Ianiro  Vice-President, Policy and Programs Branch, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Moore  Acting Executive Vice-President, Canadian Institutes of Health Research
Weber  Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health
Natasha Crowcroft  Acting Chief Public Health Officer and Vice-President, Infectious Diseases and Vaccination Programs Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada
Charu Kaushic  Scientific Director, Institute of Infection and Immunity, Canadian Institutes of Health Research
Bent  Vice-President, Regulatory, Operations and Emergency Management Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada
Ikonomi  Executive Director, Antimicrobial Resistance (AMR) Task Force, Public Health Agency of Canada

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

I think you really answered the question. There were vaccines lost, but you mentioned something about treatment. What kind of treatment?

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

As I noted earlier, the national emergency strategic stockpile ensures that we're ready against any threats, including potentially intentional threats. I'd be happy to provide you with more information. We've done this before with the committee and other committees. For sensitive information, we're happy to provide a secure, in camera briefing on the issue to make sure that you have the information to hold us accountable. I'm just not wanting to put the security of Canadians at risk by unintentionally disclosing operational details.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Were any life-saving antibiotics lost?

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

Not in this particular case.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Was the loss caused by equipment failure or human error, or both?

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

At the time of the loss, an internal investigation was launched and found that there were several factors that contributed to a temperature fluctuation. Essentially, the freezers were not operating at the anticipated temperature at the time, and that's what resulted in the loss.

There were a number of compounding factors, and again, should you like a more detailed briefing, we could do that with you under the appropriate—

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Why weren't they operating at the right temperature? Were they just not monitored?

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

There is standard monitoring through freezers. Again, we are happy to provide more details in an in camera briefing, but yes, there's monitoring, both automatic and human checks, packaging, etc.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

I'll get through my questions here, but you keep on talking about having an in camera session, and I think there are 20 million reasons to find out why. Canadians want to know what happened with this stockpile.

Roughly, how many Canadians could have been treated with the products that were thrown out?

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

I don't have that specific number, but I can get back to the committee on that.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Have the lost products been fully replaced, yes or no?

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

Their replenishment process was launched earlier this year, and we have a variety of treatments in place to respond to the particular biological threat that was associated with this treatment.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Good.

They have been...?

Stephen Bent Vice-President, Regulatory, Operations and Emergency Management Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada

Mr. Chair, if I could add, there is no risk to Canadians as a result of the loss at that time, and we continue to replenish the stockpile.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

That wasn't the question.

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

The answer is, not completely yet. To be clear, there is no threat at this time in terms of this particular loss.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

Have any employees been disciplined over losing $20 million worth of products from the national stockpile?

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

We have taken corrective action. Procedures were updated and further strengthened, and we are continuing to monitor the situation carefully. No, there was not a reprimand, to specifically answer your question.

12:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative Dan Mazier

I'm done my round.

Our next questioner is Ms. Sidhu.

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to all of the officials.

I want to follow up with PHAC and my colleague's questioning.

To clarify, was it a single event?

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

In terms of the biological treatment, it was a single event.

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

Okay.

12:35 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

It was a one-time situation.

Sonia Sidhu Liberal Brampton South, ON

Will these losses affect the capacity of the stockpile to respond to public health events?

12:40 p.m.

President, Public Health Agency of Canada

Nancy Hamzawi

No. There is no threat at this time.