Health Committee on Feb. 12th, 2026

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

You're out of order, Mr. Mazier.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Riding Mountain, MB]

You're not talking about the motion.

The cost implication is $1.5—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Mr. Mazier, you are out of order. This is not a debate.

[Helena Konanz, Conservative, Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC]

This is our health system.

How embarrassing is this?

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I'm sorry, Ms. Konanz. This is not a debate. Go through the chair, please.

This is not a debate. I'm sorry.

Go ahead, Ms. Chi.

[Helena Konanz, Conservative, Similkameen—South Okanagan—West Kootenay, BC]

It should be a debate.

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

Thank you so much.

Through—

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

It's not across the floor. It goes through the chair—

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

The Conservatives are so disorganized, they cannot even heckle in unison. I'll give them the space for now.

Let me come back to the Standing Committee on Health. It “may also study matters the committee itself chooses to examine...holds public meetings and considers evidence from witnesses”, which has been very helpful, right? We've spent nine meetings, Madam Chair, in total on this subject.

We have a lot of important studies on the agenda that still haven't been considered. They are within the mandate.

The question first is whether or not the motion is even within the mandate of the committee, which I will question. I think, Chair, that you had an excellent point about whether or not it should be the mandate of health. We have three physicians on committee. We should be holding everybody to account for the time that we spend here to examine the health and safety of Canadians.

For example, we spent meetings on the antimicrobial resistance study, AMR. That was a very eye-opening—

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Riding Mountain, MB]

I have a point of order.

[Maggie Chi, Liberal, Don Valley North, ON]

It was enlightening for me.

It's one of those—

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Riding Mountain, MB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Yes, Mr. Mazier. This is no longer a point of order, unless....

I'm going to listen to you because I don't know what you are going to ask. I will rule on it once you ask it, but do not bring up the same points you've been bringing up. They were not points of order.

Thank you.

Go ahead, Mr. Mazier.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Riding Mountain, MB]

Thank you, Chair.

I guess it's a point of clarification.

As chair, you have a duty to decide whether what Ms. Chi is going on about is relevant to the motion.

I have not heard anything about points through a) talking about fiscal impact. I have not heard anything about a detailed breakdown. I have heard nothing about the cost implications of $1.5 billion to this program. I have not even heard the name of the program, Chair.

What I'm asking for is clarification. When we're talking about the motion in front of us, what is Ms. Chi's...? I would like a decision on that.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

Well, I put this earlier on before the debate began. When this motion to ask for the Parliamentary Budget Officer to appear was brought forward, I said that we should be careful that it remained within the realm of health.

I was promised by you, Mr. Mazier, that it would. I am now looking at this expanded motion that you've brought today. Some of it does not belong within the realm of health. This is what is being debated. Does this motion belong in the realm of health or not? That is what Ms. Chi is speaking to.

She's suggesting, if I listen to her, that she thinks some of it does not belong in the realm of health.

Before I go any further—Ms. Chi, I will come back to you in a minute—I am waiting to hear about the resources, not only the resources in this room until 6:28 but whether we need to tell our witnesses that they should be able to leave. Can they stay any longer than five minutes after six?

We have a lot of other people's time to consider here.

Shall I dismiss the witnesses, because we're certainly not going to come back to questioning them? I have a long list—

[Burton Bailey, Conservative, Red Deer, AB]

That would be a shame.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

I have a long list to debate. It would not be a shame if we have not got resources, Mr. Bailey. We're waiting for—

[Burton Bailey, Conservative, Red Deer, AB]

Well, then we're wasting—

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Riding Mountain, MB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

We do not have resources, Mr. Bailey. You may think it's a shame, but people are not able to stay that long. I don't know if the witnesses can, and that's all I'm asking. It's not a shame to ask if people have something else and cannot stay longer than the time allocated.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Riding Mountain, MB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

The resources, the interpreters, etc., cannot stay until 6:28, and I'm asking the witnesses if they want to stay until 6:28. Then the question would be, if we do not have resources, as I am just told by the clerk, that we may not be able to carry this on until 6:28. I think we have an issue here.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Riding Mountain, MB]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Liberal, Hedy Fry]

When can the resources go to, Clerk?

[The Clerk of the Committee, Catherine Ngando Edimo]

It's just the two hours of the meeting that we have, with 15 minutes. That's it.