Evidence of meeting #25 for Health in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vote.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Marjorie Michel  Minister of Health
Weber  Assistant Deputy Minister, Controlled Substances and Cannabis Branch, Department of Health
Curtis-Micallef  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Ianiro  Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency
Hébert  President, Canadian Institutes of Health Research
Aung-Thin  Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health
Hamzawi  President, Public Health Agency of Canada
Lawley  Assistant Deputy Minister, Health Policy Branch, Department of Health
René de Cotret  Assistant Deputy Minister, Oral Health Branch, Department of Health
Robinson  Vice-President, Infectious Diseases and Vaccination Programs Branch, Public Health Agency of Canada

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

That's right. On October 17, there was a change that adjusted the laboratory fees.

3:50 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

It was October 17. I must check this, but I think that, as part of the changes to the program, we held consultations with dentists and others.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Can you reply in writing and give us the details, please?

3:50 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

Yes, I can cetainly do that.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Thank you.

Do you feel that any internal analysis justified that decision? Can you send it to the Committee?

3:50 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

We can provide you with all the information we used in establishing the amounts.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Thank you.

Minister, to your knowledge, before that change was introduced, had the department assessed the impact on the patients who had already received approval for a treatment?

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

The patients who had received—

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

On October 17, 2025, the Canadian Dental Care Plan changed the cap on laboratory fees.

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

I know that at one point the laboratory fees were excessive. I believe that the department met with dental associations and with Sun Life and they decided to reduce the amounts. Then, I believe they realized that they were too low. I think that they are now looking at it again.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

We want to understand, so I would like you to send us your deliberations in writing.

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

Yes, we will reply in writing.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

I would also like to find out how many patients were affected, according to your internal analysis, if there was any, of course.

To continue, at the last meeting of the Committee, I told you that, according to our information, more than 200,000 Canadians had received a letter advising them that they were not eligible for the Canadian Dental Care Plan. They were eligible to start with but their status then changed. You confirmed that the figure was 300,000.

Of those 300,000 Canadians who received the letter saying they were ineligible, how many lost their coverage? We just want to know. Can the department send those detailed figures to the Committee?

3:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Health

Shalene Curtis-Micallef

We can send you data to show how many people are no longer eligible for the dental plan.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Thank you.

Here is an easier question for you, Minister. Do you know what percentage of dental clinics in Canada currently participate in the Canadian Dental Care Plan?

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

It's 98%.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Did you say 98%?

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

Yes.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

That's good.

Does the government consider that that level of participation is enough to ensure access to care?

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

For a program that started fairly recently, I find it quite positive that 98% of dentists, denturists and all the other oral health professionals are taking part. I am very satisfied.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Okay.

People are telling me that their clinic is registered with the Canadian Dental Care Plan but that they are not able to book an appointment. So, could you explain how many of those 98% are really able to provide appointments in a reasonable time?

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

The program exists and people have access to the service. I often tell people that, if they do not have a dentist already, they have to get one in order to have access to the service. But with almost seven million people eligible for the plan, some clinics may be more booked-up than others. That is why we also have training programs. We provide money to train more denturists and dentists because we know that we are going to need more and more of them.

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski—La Matapédia, QC

Message received.

Let's move on to another topic. Before the decision was made to close the Canadian Food Inspection Agency's laboratory in Longueuil, not far from where you live, did the government analyze the risks for public health?

Marjorie Michel Liberal Papineau, QC

Let me turn to the people from the department.

Robert Ianiro Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the question. Although we vacated our space in the Longueuil lab, the tests conducted at those labs have been shifted to other laboratories that we have. There are no risks or impacts with the closure of the Longueuil lab. I'll also add, I understand that the current tenant, which is Health Canada, will be taking over the space.