Evidence of meeting #35 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Chénier  Counsel, Legislation and House Planning, Privy Council Office
Natasha Kim  Senior Policy Advisor, Legislation and House Planning, Privy Council Office
Dan McDougall  Director of Operations, Legislation and House Planning, Privy Council Office
Raymond MacCallum  Counsel, Human Rights Law Section, Department of Justice
Joann Garbig  Procedural Clerk

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

That's the reason for the addition of the words “piece of identification”, which certainly clarifies that it's one piece of the two that are required.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

I'm curious, because when witnesses were here, it was mentioned that they had very limited access to pieces of identification, so if we limit this to mean it is one of the two required, what could the second one be?

1:05 p.m.

A voice

It could be a utility bill.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

This would be the proof of identity, and then they have a utility bill or something else that shows an address.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Okay. Regardless of the comment by Mr. McDougall that this is already understood to be part of the bill, I think we'd be safer to have suspenders and belt so that Mr. Kingsley doesn't decide that the pants should be on the ground.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

I totally don't understand that comment.

1:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Karen Redman Liberal Kitchener Centre, ON

It's just as well.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Thank you, Madam Redman; I appreciate the protection.

I have one question. I think the answer's fairly clear, but if in fact the Indian card has a photo ID on it--and it is my understanding from the minister that at some point in the near future cards will be issued--the card could end up being the one and only piece of identification required, because it would have photo ID on it. Am I mistaken in that? Could I address the panel to clarify that?

1:05 p.m.

Director of Operations, Legislation and House Planning, Privy Council Office

Dan McDougall

It would also have to have the address of the person on it.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Correct, and then it could be just one. All right.

Is there any further discussion on that? I'll call the question, then, colleagues, on the subamendment. Shall we try to read it one more time?

We'll read the subamendment and then we'll call the question.

December 12th, 2006 / 1:05 p.m.

Joann Garbig Procedural Clerk

With the subamendment incorporated, then?

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Yes.

1:05 p.m.

Procedural Clerk

Joann Garbig

It reads: That Bill C-31, in clause 21, be amended by adding after line 24 on page 8 the following:

(2.2) For the purposes of paragraph 2(b), a document issued by the Government of Canada that certifies that a person is registered as an Indian under the Indian Act constitutes an authorized piece of identification.

That's it?

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

That's it.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Do you have the French version, Mr. Chair?

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Did it not come through on the interpretation?

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

What comes through on the interpretation and what's being put in the bill are two different things.

1:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

I'm going to accept that. Can we have this read in French?

I'm being told that we're going to have it professionally translated appropriately by a legislative translator afterwards. I'm not 100% comfortable that solves your problem, Mr. Proulx.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

No, it doesn't.

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

I'm going to take a moment here to consult and see how we can solve this problem for you.

Colleagues, thank you very much for your indulgence.

I would remind members that ultimately the amendment is carried in one language, but I'm comfortable doing this. We'll ask our assistant to read it in French now.

1:10 p.m.

Procedural Clerk

Joann Garbig

Thank you.

That Bill C-31, in clause 21, be amended by adding after line 24 on page 8 the following:

(2.2) For the purposes of paragraph 2(b), a document issued by the Government of Canada that certifies that a person is registered as an Indian under the Indian Act constitutes an authorized piece of identification.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Marcel Proulx Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Thank you, Ms. Garbig.

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Goodyear

Everybody is happy. Thank you very much.

Madam Redman, are you comfortable accepting the friendly amendment to your amendment?

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Karen Redman Liberal Kitchener Centre, ON

Yes, I am.