Okay.
Colleagues, let me read from chapter 20: “While the Chair's rulings are not subject to debate, they may be appealed to the committee. A member appeals a ruling by requesting that the committee vote on the motion”. And the motion, obviously worded properly, is that the chair's ruling be sustained. That isn't debatable. You are correct, Mr. Guimond.
I'm going to ask for a vote on whether my ruling that Mr. Plamondon's motion is out of order be overturned.
Does everybody understand what I'm asking? There can't be any debate, I'm sorry. We're voting.