Evidence of meeting #76 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was proposal.

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MPs speaking

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Clerk of the Committee  Mrs. Marie-France Renaud

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Thank you.

Madam Latendresse, you have seven minutes, if you can use them.

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NDP

Alexandrine Latendresse NDP Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

Thank you.

Thank you, everyone, for your testimony today. I think you have made good points.

I would like to ask a few questions about the minor changes you want to propose. Do you know how many people that will affect, and how close or far from the electoral quotient that will put you?

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

In terms of the riding of Mississauga—Erin Mills, the commission's proposal of the eastern boundary being the Credit River adds 10.34% over the provincial quota. The proposal that I'm making today would result in the riding of Mississauga—Erin Mills being 18.97% over the provincial quota.

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NDP

Alexandrine Latendresse NDP Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

That's 18.9%?

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Right, that is 18.97%.

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Conservative

Wladyslaw Lizon Conservative Mississauga East—Cooksville, ON

In my case, the change would result in dropping the provincial quota from 14% over what is proposed by the commission to almost 10%. It was 9.99% over the provincial quota.

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NDP

Alexandrine Latendresse NDP Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

You would both be happy with that?

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Conservative

Wladyslaw Lizon Conservative Mississauga East—Cooksville, ON

Correct, yes.

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NDP

Alexandrine Latendresse NDP Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

I don't really have any more questions.

I don't know if Mr. Scott or Madam Turmel have any more to add?

That was pretty straightforward, and I thank you for it.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

You see, when you come with great presentations, our work's a lot easier.

Thank you very much.

Monsieur Dion, for seven minutes, please.

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Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

[Inaudible—Editor]...given directions that we understood everything well, because I don't think it's very complicated.

Madame Ambler and Mr. Butt, you are proposing the status quo?

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Conservative

Stella Ambler Conservative Mississauga South, ON

Yes.

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Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

You're pleased by that.

You have no difficulty with the changes that Mr. Dechert and Mr. Lizon are proposing?

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Conservative

Brad Butt Conservative Mississauga—Streetsville, ON

No.

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Conservative

Stella Ambler Conservative Mississauga South, ON

None.

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Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

Are your two changes within the allowed quota?

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

I believe they are, sir.

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Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

The question is, do you have strong support from the communities affected by these changes?

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

In my case, sir, I haven't looked at the poll-by-poll results, but it's very mixed.

These are—

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Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

No, I'm not speak about your electoral results. Just generally—

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Sorry. You're talking about the proposal—

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Liberal

Stéphane Dion Liberal Saint-Laurent—Cartierville, QC

—are the people pleased by the changes you're proposing?

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Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Yes, sir.

As I mentioned to Mr. Lukiwski, at the time that the commission held its hearings, a number of local residents made similar presentations. The boundary that they proposed was slightly different and would have resulted in the new riding being over the allowable quota.

But in terms of the community of interest arguments, they were exactly the same. That is, the houses are the same; the people who live in those houses have lived in those houses since they were constructed; and they go to school and to church and they shop in the same places.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Wladyslaw Lizon Conservative Mississauga East—Cooksville, ON

Mr. Chair, as I mentioned in my presentation, there were submissions supporting what I am asking for today. However, there is an issue that I've mentioned of the village of Cooksville, but as I described, this is not really an issue because the village of Cooksville does not exist in the same form as the villages of Clarkson, Port Credit, or Streetsville.

It has completely changed since both the city hall and central library moved to Square One years ago. Therefore the whole development and capital around the main intersection of Dundas and Hurontario have changed the face of the village.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Dechert Conservative Mississauga—Erindale, ON

I'd like to say something in respect to the proposal for the riding of Mississauga Centre, which we haven't discussed, which is the new riding that has been created in Mississauga.

The way the city of Mississauga has developed—and people may not know this if they're not familiar with Mississauga—is that the city retained a significant amount of empty land right at its city core for the purpose of high-rise development. That high-rise development is going on now.

That area of the city is expanding rampantly in population terms, and there are currently 35 20-storey or more condominium buildings that have been approved by the city council, which will add approximately 50,000 new residents over the next five years in that new riding in Mississauga's centre. That's where the growth is going to go in Mississauga, going forward.

In the riding in Mississauga—Erin Mills, virtually all the land has been developed, and that would be the case for all the other ridings in Mississauga.

So it's that new riding, Mississauga Centre, which may look to the committee like it's a bit low at the moment in terms of its quota, but I believe it's over the provincial quota, in any event. You can be sure that riding will increase substantially over the next five years.