Evidence of meeting #16 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was democracy.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Matthew Lynch  Director of Parliamentary Affairs, Legislation and House Planning, Privy Council Office

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Around the clock, yes.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

So the 13 days is part of what's already set there, but that does not preclude us from meeting every day to meet a deadline, if we choose to, and work.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

The committee, of course, has...[Inaudible--Editor].

12:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I also want to pick up on the point that was made by my friend Mr. Lamoureux.

It seems to me that right now the committee is into a steering committee meeting. We're public. We're seized of a motion and a member has the floor. When we come back next, we will pick up where we left off. The same motion is still before us. The member who had the floor still has the floor.

Is that correct, Chair?

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

That's not my thinking on it, Mr. Christopherson, although if we came back as a steering committee, we would still have to deal with that too. We do have our regular committee meetings. It depends on which type of meeting we're coming back to.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

All right. Well, it's good that we're on this, then.

Would you agree that this motion has to be disposed of before you deal with any other motions in this regard?

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I would think that would be appropriate.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Then by extension, that means this motion will still be before us at the next meeting, and if it is, I still have the floor.

Would that not be correct, Madam Clerk?

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

You could ask me. I'll get advice if I need it.

The true answer here, Mr. Christopherson, is the wish that we would move forward with actual testimony.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

I agree, Chair. And you can see I'm trying—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

So let's not look for the bleak part, let's look for the good part...[Inaudible--Editor].

12:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Fair enough. And in the interim, there could be a change of heart, we could have a deal, and there's no problem, but in the extreme possibility that this may not happen, I just want to be assured that we're not going to get into another procedural fight here on how to proceed.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

[Inaudible--Editor]...the procedures committee.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

The fact is we still have this motion in front of us, and I still have the floor.

I agree, Chair, and I will say again, we want a deal. I would love nothing more than to turn to you and say—which I'm not, right now—that I am done, but I am not, and I will not be until such time as we get an agreement. I need to know that we're not getting into another schmozzle heading into our next meeting.

Chair, this motion is duly before this committee right now. I have the floor. I do need the assurance from you, sir, that this is where we will be when we come back.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

We cannot dispose of your motion until other people on the speaking list also get to speak to it, and of course we vote on it.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Yes.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Christopherson, you would immediately be able to put your name on the list and be available, after others, if that's the case, too, so let's worry about the—

1 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

No, no, Chair, I have a bit of a problem. We have this motion in front of us now. The committee is seized of it. I have the floor. I am in order to have the floor.

If we're going to adjourn this meeting and continue, it seems to me we continue exactly where we are, given that you have said that we can't deal with any other motions until we have disposed of my motion.

Therefore, my motion will be the motion that's on the floor at the next meeting when we begin, and I will have the floor.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

With all due respect, Mr. Christopherson, I certainly hope we dispose of it at some point and move on to actual business of this committee, but we are finished for today—

1 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

Mr. Chair—

1 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Chair, you've left it unclear again. That's not helpful.

1 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

I just want to say that procedurally I tend to agree with David. Certainly the position from here is that if David wants the floor to continue to speak to his motion at the start of the next meeting, we have no problem with it.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

It sounds like you have friends in the room.

1 p.m.

NDP

David Christopherson NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

It's just the rules, Chair. It's just the rules.

1 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Lamoureux, what are you going to say to this?