Evidence of meeting #36 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was clause.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marc Chénier  Senior Officer and Counsel, Privy Council Office
Philippe Méla  Procedural Clerk
Natasha Kim  Director, Democratic Reform, Privy Council Office

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Those remain.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

So that's clear. It's not on the ballot. Your chair said that, and he was incorrect.

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NDP

Craig Scott NDP Toronto—Danforth, ON

It's replacing address with.... But what does community mean?

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Scott, you still have the floor. Did you want to finish?

7:45 p.m.

NDP

Craig Scott NDP Toronto—Danforth, ON

Yes, and it doesn't have to be answered right away. I'm just wondering if there's a definition of “community” for this purpose. If I'm in Toronto, is Toronto my community, or is it...whatever?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

It's North York.

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Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

It could be Toronto. It's whatever it normally was on your address. If you have an address, you have to say where it is.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Okay.

Mr. Lukiwski.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

I could make some observations. I find it interesting that the Liberals particularly would be advocating this, but I won't get into that political consideration. I will say, however, the government will be voting against this, only because we've had really little time to consult with our own people on this. I think the current situation is more than sufficient. I know there are a number of members of the Liberal Party who tend not to live in the ridings they are representing. I find that passing strange, but nonetheless we will be voting against the proposal.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I still have Mr. Scott, and then I'll go to you, Mr. Reid.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

I had put my hand up earlier.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Oh, sorry, I did say you, Mr. Reid, and then I forgot you were there.

I'm going to you, Mr. Reid, because I'm just going to be as fair as I can be.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

First of all, I just want to say how unloved I feel. I feel like Casper the ghost or something. I don't know.

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Voices

Oh, oh!

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Your chair accused you of making me invisible the other night, and I've gone and done the same thing with you. I do apologize.

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Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

All right.

The Canada Elections Act as it stands now says in paragraph 64(2)(a) that the returning officer posts in the returning office a notice of grant of poll with the name, address, and political affiliation of the candidates. Bill C-23 takes out the address. You're adding back in just the postal code but no further information.

Am I correct?

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

It adds the community associated with your address and the postal code.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Scott Reid Conservative Lanark—Frontenac—Lennox and Addington, ON

I'm assuming this is a more or less universal practice. If I think of the road on which I live, there are three or four houses that have the same postal code; I don't think it's more than that. So once you've put the community back in, you've put the address back in, effectively. It seems to me I could figure out where a person lives from that.

I'm just wondering why you don't just put the address back in. Why don't you just get rid of the...?

I assume that's your objective, right?

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

Am I on the speakers list, Mr. Chair?

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Go ahead and answer it, because it will just make my life a bit easier.

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

I want people to know where you reside if you are a candidate in this particular election. Now, for reasons of privacy in the past, I realize you didn't want the exact address. I take your point that in some cases you can deduce where they live, but I think if you're going to give someone a general idea of where that person resides, you use the community and you use the postal code.

To Mr. Lukiwski's point, all parties have what we call parachute candidates. I appreciate that. I just think people should know. That's fine if it happens, if you feel that you can do the job here and you can still represent a riding that you don't live in, but I think people should know that.

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

I think we have the gist now of where we are on this.

Mr. Scott.

7:50 p.m.

NDP

Craig Scott NDP Toronto—Danforth, ON

It's turned out to be more interesting than I'd realized. This is an example of something that I hadn't noticed had been taken out.

I'm kind of neutral on it, but I'm just wondering if on the government side anyone has the rationale for why it was taken out. Is it privacy reasons in terms of the address?

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Joe Preston

Mr. Lukiwski.

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Conservative

Tom Lukiwski Conservative Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, SK

A portion of that certainly would be for privacy reasons, but Scott's point...and we can agree to disagree, but the more relevant point is the name and the party you represent.