Okay, so in that case, there is no reimbursement given.
I'm curious, and again we'll discuss this perhaps a little later, why someone, if they were producing a mailer that they felt was in proper order, would not want to use House printing services to get reimbursed. It would appear though, if they thought it was a political mail-out they couldn't get reimbursed for, or if they couldn't get approval by the House, they might want to use an outside printer and pay for it themselves so they could avoid that embarrassment. However, then of course you couldn't use franked envelopes, and that's exactly what I believe has happened here.
Let me go back again to the MPs who are using outside printing for ten percenters and householders. Would we be able to get that information from printing services as to how common that is? In other words, if someone wanted to use an outside printer for less than 4,500 copies and get reimbursed, surely there's a record in printing services. Yes...?