Evidence of meeting #125 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was election.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Trevor Knight  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada
Jean-François Morin  Senior Policy Advisor, Privy Council Office
Anne Lawson  Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Regulatory Affairs, Elections Canada
Stephanie Kusie  Calgary Midnapore, CPC
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Lauzon
Jennifer O'Connell  Pickering—Uxbridge, Lib.
Linda Lapointe  Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, Lib.
Manon Paquet  Senior Policy Advisor, Privy Council Office
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Right.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Do you think it's necessary for...?

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

I think we've met the objective of what we're trying to do with that. I take your point.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

It's only that we're relying on them to do it as opposed to having—

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

They'll be in violation if they're not.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Imagine that. It can happen.

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Yes, very much so. You're requiring everybody to turn everything over to Elections Canada. It's the same standard, really, though.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

To the Chief Electoral Officer, yes?

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Yes.

Do you have any comments, Mr. Morin?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Monsieur Morin.

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LCdr Jean-François Morin

Mr. Chair, this amendment would add two new subsections to section 349.5 of the bill, which currently requires third parties to add a tag line on their partisan advertising messages.

I would like to point out that in part 17 of the act, third parties are defined very broadly. Some obligations under the act apply to all third parties and some other obligations apply only to those third parties who reach certain thresholds.

For example, for the pre-election period and the election period, the registration threshold with Elections Canada is set at $500. A third party, which means basically any Canadian citizen, except the candidate or a political party, who makes a partisan advertising message, even if that person has not reached their registration threshold of $500, would then need to send a copy of the advertising message to Elections Canada within 10 days of its transmission.

I think this covers a much broader group of third parties than other provisions of the act do.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

That's correct. That's what we're hoping to do.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

I guess you're not saying whether that's good or bad.

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LCdr Jean-François Morin

Of course I won't tell you that, Mr. Chair.

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Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

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LCdr Jean-François Morin

Mr. Chair, if I may, I will not weigh in on the debate, but I will just explain what the thresholds are.

They are the same in both the pre-election and election periods. For up to $500, the third party doesn't have to register with Elections Canada. For higher than $500, they have to register with Elections Canada, open a bank account and then present a financial statement after the election. If during the pre-election period or the election period they reach the $10,000 threshold—either $10,000 in contributions or $10,000 in partisan advertising expenses, election advertising expenses, partisan activity expenses or election survey expenses—then they have to provide one preliminary....

What do we call that?

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Manon Paquet Senior Policy Advisor, Privy Council Office

The word is "interim".

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LCdr Jean-François Morin

They have to provide a first interim financial return upon reaching that threshold, then a second interim financial return on September 15 during a fixed election year. Then there is one other Liberal motion that would also impose a third interim financial report three weeks before polling day and a fourth interim financial report one week before polling day.

This is the kind of reporting scheme that applies currently under the act and under Bill C-76.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. Graham.

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

How onerous is the financial report? If you spend $600, you send the receipt and you're done, right?

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

[Inaudible—Editor] reporting's very difficult if you only—

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Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

It's not a 25-page form to declare your $600.

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LCdr Jean-François Morin

I haven't looked at the form recently, but the bank account requirement would apply to every third party that reaches $500.

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Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Regulatory Affairs, Elections Canada

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LCdr Jean-François Morin

Yes, the bank account requirement would apply to every third party that reaches the $500 threshold. So, there are a few associated costs with being a third party that is required to register.