Evidence of meeting #126 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreed.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stephanie Kusie  Calgary Midnapore, CPC
Jean-François Morin  Senior Policy Advisor, Privy Council Office
Trevor Knight  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada
Robert Sampson  Legal Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Yes, that's what I meant to say.

(On clause 271)

Amendment CPC-128 has ramifications because it also applies to CPC-131, which is on page 242.

Mr. Nater.

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Chair, this would defer the pre-election spending limits on political parties until after the 2019 election.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Oh, I see that this will be popular.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Since CPC-128 is defeated, CPC-131 is defeated as a consequence.

Now we're going to CPC-129.

There are consequences to this one too. It applies to CPC-159, on page 301, as they both deal with partisan advertising expenses.

Mr. Nater, would you introduce CPC-129, please.

6:30 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

I would love to, Chair.

This would revert us to the status quo for spending limits in the pre-election period.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

In other words, now.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

I can imagine that this will be popular.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

One person in favour, and four opposed.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

You know you're going to lose, but he makes it worse on them.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

It's defeated.

6:30 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

It's a trick, a Yukon ploy. I've seen it before.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Amendment CPC-129 was just defeated, so CPC-159 is also defeated.

Amendment CPC-130 was withdrawn by the Conservatives.

CPC-131, I think was—

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

It was already effectively dealt with.

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

It was consequential, yes.

I think CPC-132 is still in play.

6:35 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Yes, it is.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. Nater.

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Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

This deals with the riding associations and their ability to run pre-election advertisements. It allows them to do so during the pre-writ period.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Is there any debate?

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

No.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

We're on LIB-39.

This has a ramification. Whatever the result of this vote is, it applies to LIB-54, as they are linked by reference.

Could a Liberal propose this amendment, please.

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Sure.

This one would allow electoral district associations, EDAs, to “incur partisan advertising expenses” when such expenses are incurred for messages intended “to be transmitted solely, or substantially solely, within the association's electoral district”.

They'd also be allowed to “transmit or cause to be transmitted partisan advertising messages”...“solely, or substantially solely, within the association's electoral district” in the pre-writ period.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Are there any comments from the witnesses on that?

6:35 p.m.

LCdr Jean-François Morin

Do you have a specific question?

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. Cullen, go ahead, and then Mr. Nater.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

This brings it down to the EDA level in terms of being able to do political advertising.

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Within the EDA.

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NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

Within the district, yes. But if the intention is to clamp down on pre-election spending overall, if you have 338 ridings, especially if there were a coordinated effort, does that not get around the thing that the bill is trying to—?