Evidence of meeting #126 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreed.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stephanie Kusie  Calgary Midnapore, CPC
Jean-François Morin  Senior Policy Advisor, Privy Council Office
Trevor Knight  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada
Robert Sampson  Legal Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

4:45 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada

Trevor Knight

I don't know the specifics in terms of how we would inform people. I think it's fair to say that in terms of the entire implementation, we'll obviously have to be clear and inform people. I don't think we would object to a process for informing people of these things.

If I can take a step back, right now in the act there is a category of personal expenses, which includes child care, travel and living expenses. It also includes other personal expenses that people may seek a reimbursement for. Those could include a wide variety of things that people seek reimbursement for. Under the current act, that has an overall limit of $200. The limitation functions as a way of achieving a balance in what you can seek a reimbursement for, not what you can spend on these things.

Bill C-76 would expand that to travel and living expenses, so there will now be other categories, potentially, where the CEO may wish to place limits.

I don't know that I can comment. The only comment I would make is, given the timing of everything, if there is a situation where these things cannot be implemented before the next election because of the time delays in here, there is the possibility that the categories of travel, living expenses, and personal expenses would be open and not subject to limit.

The consequence of that isn't on the overall election expense limit. The consequence of that would be on the reimbursements candidates could seek for those expenses. There may be higher reimbursements than perhaps would be thought appropriate in terms of achieving that balance, but that's the only consequence of this amendment that I would see that would raise a concern for Elections Canada at this time.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

To Trevor and Stephanie, would you not just put the information on your website, in the same way you inform everyone of everything else?

4:45 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada

Trevor Knight

I don't know exactly how. As various changes are rolled out, we'll certainly issue the candidate handbooks. I assume we'll have some other ways, on our website and through other means, to contact candidates and potential candidates, and obviously, electoral district associations and parties. We also have the advisory committee on political parties, which I assume will be used as a way to inform them of C-76 and likely coming changes.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. Graham.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

It seems like a peculiar thing to require the Speaker to care about rather than the general public disclosures that we usually have. I see a lot of extra work and no advantage to this amendment, so I'm not going to support it.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. Nater.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Perhaps our witnesses could inform us if there are other things in the act that are required to be reported to Parliament through the Speaker.

4:50 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada

Trevor Knight

It will probably not be a comprehensive list, but there is certainly a report after every general election and a report on by-elections. There is a recommendations report that is made after each election on suggestions that the Chief Electoral Officer has to change the act.

There's a provision in the act that allows the Chief Electoral Officer to replace signatures with another method that they believe will be satisfactory for the purposes. There is a report to the Speaker on any such change. There's also a report to the Speaker on the process used for appointing and removing returning officers under the act.

4:50 p.m.

LCdr Jean-François Morin

To this, I may add that Trevor was very thorough in his lists, so all these reports are provided at sections 533 to 537 of the Canada Elections Act.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. de Burgh Graham, are you ready to vote?

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

I am ready to vote.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Is there anything further?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Mr. Sampson has something.

4:50 p.m.

Robert Sampson Legal Counsel, Legal Services, Elections Canada

Thank you.

I just want to note that there are, of course, other publication requirements and other means, for example, in the Canada Gazette, or under the guidelines and opinions provisions that are published on their website. The publication requirements are often commensurate with the type of information that is being made public.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

We are ready to vote on CPC-117.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

We'll now go to CPC-117.1.

Would the Conservatives introduce that amendment.

4:50 p.m.

Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

This continues, in effect, the Chief Electoral Officer's current limits on categories of candidates' personal expenses until he determines otherwise.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Mr. de Burgh Graham.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Monsieur Morin, is this not already the case?

4:50 p.m.

LCdr Jean-François Morin

Yes, paragraph 44(g) of the Interpretation Act provides that when an action is replaced by another and the substance of the amendment is the same, then the previous regulations or the previous determinations made under the previous text are deemed to have continued under the new text.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

So it's redundant. Thank you.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

If we are ready, we will vote on CPC-117.1.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 250 agreed to on division)

Now, proposed by the Conservatives is a new clause, 252.1, and there's a new CPC amendment.

4:50 p.m.

Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

Did we do clause 251?

I think we did clause 250 but not clause 251.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

David Graham Liberal Laurentides—Labelle, QC

We haven't passed clause 251.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Larry Bagnell

Okay.

(Clauses 251 and 252 agreed to)

4:50 p.m.

Calgary Midnapore, CPC

Stephanie Kusie

We have two amendments.