Evidence of meeting #12 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was zoom.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Chantal Bernier  National Practice Leader, Privacy and Cybersecurity, Dentons Canada, As an Individual
Christian Leuprecht  Professor, Department of Political Science, Royal Military College of Canada, As an Individual
Ronald J. Deibert  Professor of Political Science, and Director, Citizen Lab, Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy, University of Toronto, As an Individual
Nathalie Laliberté  Vice-President, Service to Parliament and Interpretation, Translation Bureau, Department of Public Works and Government Services
John Weigelt  National Technology Officer, Microsoft Canada Inc.
Matthew Ball  Director, Interpretation and Chief Interpreter, Translation Bureau, Department of Public Works and Government Services

April 29th, 2020 / 7:30 p.m.

Harry Moseley

Thank you, Madam Chair and members of the committee, for inviting Zoom to participate in this important hearing today.

I firmly believe that the role you play and your decisions on how best to proceed with Parliament in these extraordinary times are truly significant. Ensuring that the House of Commons continues to be productive and operational is more important than ever.

We at Zoom are committed to helping support your efforts and to providing any information you need in advance of your presentation to Parliament on May 15. With millions of people around the world working from home due to COVID-19, video communication companies like Zoom are playing an integral role in ensuring that businesses, hospitals, schools and, importantly, government can continue to collaborate securely and remain operational.

Zoom recognized early on that we were uniquely positioned to help in this time of need, and we felt compelled to act. We feel a tremendous responsibility to our users. In February, we committed to doing everything in our power to support those impacted by COVID-19, and that promise very much continues to date.

By way of background, I have over 40 years of technology experience, most recently as the CIO for KPMG U.S. and the CIO for Blackstone. In December 2017, I retired, and shortly afterwards Zoom invited me to join them as their global CIO. Once I met Eric Yuan, our CEO and founder, and conferred with industry veterans and my peers, I was inspired to join his elite team. Eric, who had 14 years of experience building Webex, and a team of engineers founded Zoom in the U.S. almost 10 years ago, in their mission to build a seamless and frictionless video-first communications platform based on four principles: security, reliability, functionality and cost-effectiveness for their customers.

There were several objectives, most notably the seamless and frictionless experience, intuitive ease of use, the elimination of the “meeting tax”, and doing this agnostically across platforms to enable the energy of the participants to be focused on the substance and not the logistics and operations of the meeting.

Today, Zoom is the leader in modern enterprise video communications. Zoom's sole focus is providing a secure, reliable platform that works seamlessly across devices and is incredibly easy to use. We are proud of what we have accomplished with our users, from individual subscribers to the world's largest global enterprises, which is reflected in our customer satisfaction in the 90-plus percentile.

There is a reason people say, “Zoom, it just works.” In light of COVID-19, usage of Zoom has ballooned in recent months. We have grown from 10 million daily meeting participants as of December 2019, to over 300 million per day in April, with incredible service reliability. We are proud to be doing our part to keep people connected and organizations working during the pandemic.

As part of this effort, we opened up the platform to new types of users, such as offering free video conferencing to primary and secondary schools around the world. To date, over 100,000 schools in 25 countries have used Zoom's free services to stay connected to their students during this pandemic. We have also served numerous government customers for years, and in the current environment, with COVID-19, our service has become more essential than ever to ensure that governments around the world can continue to function during the difficult days ahead.

For example, in the U.K., we are proud to be helping MPs fulfill their parliamentary duties. They have successfully rolled out a hybrid Parliament with a maximum of 50 lawmakers physically in the debating chamber and another 120 permitted to join via Zoom.

In Canada, we are humbled to have been selected to support the House of Commons. We have worked very closely with Soufiane Ben Moussa, the CTO of the House of Commons, to ensure that we are providing Zoom's trademark ease of use coupled with training on Zoom's leading security features, as well as technical support to meet specifications such as enabling simultaneous channels for English and French.

We have always been a leader in innovating at speed and scale, and are equally committed to doing that with respect to privacy and security. In its current form, Zoom unequivocally delivers a safe and secure virtual meeting environment when used with the appropriate safeguards to protect meetings. As sophisticated organizations across the globe do exhaustive security reviews of our user network and data centre layers, they continue to confidently select Zoom for complete deployment. In fact, we have seen a surge in this regard recently.

To echo the words of our CEO, our chief concern is ensuring that the safety, privacy and security of our platform is worthy of the trust our users have put in us. As such, and in light of new use cases and public attention on Zoom, we have made a number of changes across the platform. We have wasted no time in executing the 90-day plan we announced on April 1 to better identify, address and fix issues proactively. A summary of our plan, including all of the actions we committed to, can be found in the briefing materials we submitted.

A couple of examples include that we enacted a feature freeze and shifted all of our engineering resources to focus on trust, safety, security and privacy. We also launched an industry agnostic CISO council, in partnership with leading CISOs, to facilitate an ongoing dialogue regarding security and privacy best practices.

Most recently, we announced robust security enhancements with the general availability of Zoom 5.0, which, among other key features, adds support for AES-256 GCM encryption across Zoom's infrastructure. This increased level of encryption enables Zoom to provide industry-leading protection for meeting data and resistance against tampering and unauthorized access. Zoom's security features, which have previously been accessed throughout the meeting menus, are now at hosts' fingertips. They are grouped together and easily found by clicking the security icon in the meeting menu bar on the host's interface.

With regard to data routing there are several facts that I would like to share. The Zoom platform only collects information necessary to provide the service. Where all meeting participants are using the Zoom client, all meeting data—audio, video and content—is fully encrypted among all participants, and it is never encrypted until it reaches a participant's device, including its transit through our data centres. There are exceptions to this, such as a participant joining via a phone line, a cloud recording or other features—for example, streaming to YouTube without encryption being enabled.

Zoom has 17 data centres around the world, one in Toronto and one in Vancouver. We supplement our data centres with cloud providers, which, among other things, are used for authentication, cloud recordings and metrics.

We also understand there are concerns and sensitivities around data travelling to certain countries. We maintain geofencing around China specifically, ensuring that users outside of China do not have their meeting data routed through China. We are aware of recent reports suggesting that a small fraction of non-China meetings were inadvertently routed through Chinese servers. Zoom investigated this issue and has ensured that it will never happen again.

To provide additional comfort and control for our users, we recently added a feature that enables paid Zoom customers to customize which data centre regions their account can use for real-time meeting traffic. We also enhanced the Zoom administration dashboard to show additional transparency on data routing.

With respect to privacy, Zoom does not and has never sold user data; does not monitor meetings or their contents; and complies with all applicable privacy laws, rules and regulations in the jurisdictions within which it operates. Zoom has fully implemented compliance programs designed to meet the requirements of the Canadian data protection regulations, including the Personal Information Protection and Electronics Document Act.

7:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

Thank you, Mr. Moseley. Our time is up.

Do you have much more to summarize?

7:40 p.m.

Harry Moseley

No. I have one minute.

7:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

Okay.

One more minute.

7:40 p.m.

Harry Moseley

We know there has been a lot of media attention on Zoom due to recent new use cases as noted previously. Zoom has been recognized to have seriously stepped up to enhance its privacy and security in short order by amplifying safeguards and addressing issues quickly.

In conclusion, I can assure you that we continue to be the easiest to use and most functional platform on the market. Our commitment to security cannot be topped. This is also a continuous journey for us. Rest assured that security is and will be at the top of our list.

We are grateful to have the opportunity to speak to you this evening and to answer any questions you may have about how video conferencing companies and Zoom specifically can support the House of Commons. We think of our clients as partners. Our singular objective is your success in using our platforms securely and in a reliable fashion. I know that Zoom is well positioned to continue serving the House of Commons.

Thank you for your time and attention.

7:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

Thank you, Mr. Moseley.

Thank you to all of our witnesses.

I think I can speak on behalf of the committee and say that this has been a very informative panel and meeting, hitting issues such as respect for Parliament, the privilege of members, bilingualism, which is very important of course, and our technological solutions, including how we can make sure that they're safe and private.

We will continue into our first round of questions with the members.

We will definitely get through the first round of six-minute questions. At that point I will ask the committee members whether we can get in a few more questions after that.

Mr. Richards, we'll start with you.

7:40 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

If I can, I first have a point of order, Madam Chair.

Can you just refresh my memory? The first round of questions would mean what?

7:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

Of course I'm willing to go as long as we're able to. I have to consult with the clerk as well.

The first round of questions is for six minutes. The Conservatives, the Liberals, the Bloc and the NDP each get one.

7:40 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

Okay.

For the sake of managing our time, could we as a committee decide now on what we are going to do in terms of questioning before we begin?

7:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

Absolutely.

If I may suggest, we could change it into five-minute rounds and maybe do the next round for four minutes. I think we could squeeze it in. Let me just confirm with the clerk to see what we can manage.

7:40 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

Thanks, Madam Chair.

7:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

I was conferring with the staff in the committee room. We do have some flexibility on their behalf. They would be able to accommodate us up to 8:30, if that is okay with the witnesses and the committee members.

That would allow us to get in the second round as well.

Yes, the witnesses have said it's okay.

Yes, Mr. Gerretsen.

7:40 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Can we commit ourselves to that first and second round? If that ends at 8:15, then we'll end at 8:15.

Is that agreed?

7:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

Is that okay with everyone? Yes?

All right, thank you for resolving that at the get-go.

We will start with our first questioner, Mr. Richards.

7:40 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

Thanks, Madam Chair.

Most, if not all of my questions, will be for the Translation Bureau.

First, when we were studying the issue of indigenous languages in House proceedings in the previous Parliament—I think two or three years ago now—when the Translation Bureau came before the committee at that time, speaking about remote interpretation being tried out, the Bureau indicated the following:

...there are still issues that need to be addressed before we can offer this service on a regular basis. The two key issues are audio quality and bandwidths, which can be erratic, resulting in variable audio quality for interpreters and clients alike.

A lot of other witnesses at that time raised this issue as a concern as well.

I'm wondering if those issues have been resolved satisfactorily for you to be able to change your opinion at this point.

7:45 p.m.

Vice-President, Service to Parliament and Interpretation, Translation Bureau, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Nathalie Laliberté

Sound quality is the cornerstone for interpretation. When participants are remote, the sound is really dependent on the Internet connection of the participant, on whether they're using a headset and on some of the technical requirements I mentioned in my opening remarks. It's very important for the Translation Bureau that those technical requirements are met when we provide services.

When those are met, there will be less risk of a service interruption. If an interpreter cannot hear, they will not be able to interpret. We're working closely with our clients and with the House administration—it's really a team—to ensure that the technical requirements are met so that the quality of the sound is sufficient for an interpreter to be able to do his or her job.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

Would you say there is a chance that the quality will suffer as a result?

7:45 p.m.

Vice-President, Service to Parliament and Interpretation, Translation Bureau, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Nathalie Laliberté

Will the quality suffer? No, it won't because of what we ask of interpreters: if they cannot hear, they cannot interpret, so we've provided them with that at our end to protect their health and safety as well. When you hear “inaudible” or you hear that the interpreters are stopping, it's because they really cannot hear, and they won't guess, to make sure that they deliver quality service.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

Okay. We saw that yesterday, certainly, in the committee of the whole that sort of replaces question period. There were times when interpreters were indicating that they couldn't hear satisfactorily.

You also mentioned in your opening remarks—and I know it's in the briefs we've received from some of the associations—that there's been a need for more interpreters. Just given the fact that they aren't in the same room and the visual ability to see is not there, it's harder on them. [Technical difficulty—Editor] that seems to be what you've indicated as well, and I can certainly understand how that would be the case.

I wanted to get your take on this lack of visual ability to see in some cases being more difficult for interpreters. Just tell us a bit about how your team is holding up—

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

I'm sorry, Mr. Richards. I'll pause your time. Could you put your headset on? There is some static that we're hearing. It's difficult for the interpreters.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

I'm sorry. I don't have it handy, unfortunately. That's why I'm not using it. My apologies for that. I think it was just my phone. I'll move that away.

Is that better?

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ruby Sahota

Yes, it is better. Could you be as close as possible to the screen and move your phone?

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

Sure. Understood. I did move the phone.

Were you able to get my question or do you need me to repeat it?

7:45 p.m.

Vice-President, Service to Parliament and Interpretation, Translation Bureau, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Nathalie Laliberté

I was able to get your question.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Blake Richards Conservative Banff—Airdrie, AB

Okay. Thank you.