Evidence of meeting #8 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Shimon Koffler Fogel  President and Chief Executive Officer, Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs
Anne Dance  Former Director, Parliamentary Internship Programme, As an Individual
Paul Thomas  Director, Parliamentary Internship Programme
Duff Conacher  Co-Founder, Democracy Watch
Kathryn Stone  Commissioner, House of Commons, United Kingdom Parliament, Office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards
Mary Dawson  Former Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner of Canada, As an Individual

12:55 p.m.

Commissioner, House of Commons, United Kingdom Parliament, Office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards

Dr. Kathryn Stone

To go to the second part of your question first, there is currently no distinction.

With respect to your first question about friends and the distinction between friends and others, it's really important and it goes back to—forgive me for sounding like a broken record—the interest that reasonably might be thought by others to influence the actions of a member of Parliament.

There's also a different, broader point I'd like to make in response to that question, which is that entering into public service means you put the public interest ahead of your own private interests. Thinking about the perception of the influence of friends or acquaintances is an important part of that. It's not something that I'm aware we consider specifically, although members do register under “miscellaneous” anything else that might be considered to influence their thoughts or actions, and we give advice on that frequently. The registrar of members' financial interests gives advice frequently to members of Parliament on those issues.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Rachel Blaney NDP North Island—Powell River, BC

My last question for you, Dr. Stone, is around the reality that there are gifts given, but there is a particular nuance, especially for some ethnic communities. How is that recognized in the work that you do?

12:55 p.m.

Commissioner, House of Commons, United Kingdom Parliament, Office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards

Dr. Kathryn Stone

The gift relationship is very, very important. For many constituents, from a whole range of backgrounds, it's hugely important for them to be able to symbolically show their gratitude to members of Parliament, but again, how does that influence the actions of a member of Parliament?

All of us will have those complicated and sometimes awkward conversations; people may want to give us things and we may feel awkward about receiving them, but if we register it and are transparent about it.... Where people sincerely and genuinely want to express their thanks for something a member of Parliament has done for them in their role as a member of Parliament, I'm not confident that that becomes a conflict of interest. That becomes part of a gift relationship, and it is something that it would be extremely rude and discourteous to not accept from that constituent.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bardish Chagger

Thank you for those comments. I also want to want to thank you for joining us from so far away at this time. It means a lot, within my culture as well, when it comes to accepting gifts, and sometimes it's very offensive to not do that. There are definitely a lot of dimensions to the conversation today.

To Mr. Conacher and Madam Dawson, thank you for taking the time.

To committee members, we have gone a minute or two over, but I think we've done well today.

I will just remind witnesses again that if you have any submissions, the clerk will be sending you an email so that we can stay tight on the timeline and do this very important work.

With that, I hope everyone keeps well and safe. I thank you for your time and attention, and I look forward to all of us doing this important work together. Take care.

The meeting is adjourned.