Evidence of meeting #31 for Procedure and House Affairs in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was hybrid.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Janse  Clerk of the House of Commons
St George  Chief Financial Officer, House of Commons
Bédard  Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel, House of Commons
Monette  Director, Parliamentary Protective Service
Dicaire  Chief Information Officer, House of Commons
Aubé  Chief Executive Administrator, House of Commons
Mellon  Senior Officer, Risk Management and Investigations, Corporate Security Operations, House of Commons
Savard  Chief Financial Officer, Parliamentary Protective Service
LeBlanc  Deputy Clerk, Procedure, House of Commons

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Does that employment figure include the House administration employees who support the parliamentary press gallery?

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Clerk of the House of Commons

Eric Janse

The parliamentary press gallery secretariat is a separate directorate within the House administration.

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Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

There are House of Commons employees who support the parliamentary press gallery, though.

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Clerk of the House of Commons

Eric Janse

That's correct.

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Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

What is that number?

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Clerk of the House of Commons

Eric Janse

I should know this. I think it's about 12, but we can get the exact number to you, Mr. Cooper.

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Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Are there any cost recovery mechanisms in place with what amounts to supporting big media outlets?

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Clerk of the House of Commons

Eric Janse

As far as I know, no. It's one perspective that we're assisting the media outlets. It's another perspective that we're assisting parliamentarians vis-à-vis their dealings with the media. It's for that reason that the parliamentary press gallery secretariat has been in existence for quite some time.

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Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

There is no cost recovery mechanism. For the $1.4 billion to the CBC, for example, it provides no reimbursement to the House of Commons.

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Clerk of the House of Commons

Eric Janse

As far as I know, no.

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Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Okay.

With respect to translation and interpreters, Mr. Aubé, you indicated that there had been a decrease in the number of incidents in which interpreters are injured. However, would it be fair to say that, since the adoption of a hybrid Parliament, there has been a significant increase in the number of injuries?

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Chief Executive Administrator, House of Commons

Stéphan Aubé

There was an increase since pre-hybrid Parliament, sir.

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Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

I understand that the increase, at one time, spiked to a ninefold increase.

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Chief Executive Administrator, House of Commons

Stéphan Aubé

I don't have the stats in front of me, sir, but they did increase.

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Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

Mr. LeBlanc, you seem to be nodding that that was the figure.

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Deputy Clerk, Procedure, House of Commons

Jeffrey LeBlanc

I don't know the exact percentage, but it is fair to say that it did increase.

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Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

How many injuries, for example, were there in 2019, the year before the option of hybrid Parliament?

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Chief Executive Administrator, House of Commons

Stéphan Aubé

I don't have that number with me. We provided statistics to the board, and we could bring them back.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Sturgeon River, AB

If you could, undertake to do so.

Mr. Aubé, you indicated that the number had been declining. Are you able to elaborate on what the statistics for occupational incidents look like?

12:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Administrator, House of Commons

Stéphan Aubé

I wouldn't want to comment, sir, until.... I will provide you with the right number. We did provide that information to the board, and we would like to provide you with the same information.

The Chair Liberal Chris Bittle

Your five minutes are up, almost exactly. I might have taken a second from you, which I will give you in the future.

To be fair, everyone else has gone above. You're the only one I've taken time from. I do apologize.

I will go to Madame Kayabaga for five minutes, and that will be the end of questioning. I'll then suspend the committee for a couple of minutes, as we have a couple of items to vote on. Then we'll adjourn.

Madame Kayabaga, go ahead for five minutes.

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

Thank you, Chair.

In terms of the House of Commons staying ready, obviously the hybrid model was set up because of the COVID pandemic. If we were to scale it back, what would be the cost of reinstating the hybrid model in case there was an emergency, whether it was a pandemic or any other situation?

Could you also mention the cost of setting it up at first? What challenges did you have, and what lessons did you learn from that?

12:20 p.m.

Deputy Clerk, Procedure, House of Commons

Jeffrey LeBlanc

In terms of the cost of setting it up, there were a few different costs involved. There was a technological cost from the technology we use and the infrastructure we had to build to support it. A large portion of the cost is from the staff who support the different meetings, both of the House and of the committees.

I can give you the exact numbers, which I don't have with me.

Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON

How many staff are there?

12:20 p.m.

Deputy Clerk, Procedure, House of Commons

Jeffrey LeBlanc

Gosh. I can give you the number later.