Evidence of meeting #10 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was fishing.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ian MacPherson  Executive Director, Prince Edward Island Fishermen's Association
Judith Andrew  Commissioner for Employers, Canada Employment Insurance Commission
Marie-Hélène Arruda  Coordinator, Mouvement autonome et solidaire des sans-emploi (réseau québécois)
Robert Jenkins  Vice-President, Prince Edward Island Fishermen's Association

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

I call the meeting to order.

Welcome, everybody. We're going to get started.

Before we get things going officially, I would like to officially welcome back Julie, our clerk, from a bit of a hiatus. Welcome back. We missed you.

I'd just like to read a quick statement. It will frame what we're doing today.

It is with regard to clause-by-clause consideration of a bill in committee. There are many new folks in the room, myself included, so bear with me. I'd like to provide members of the committee with a few comments on how committees proceed with the clause-by-clause consideration of a bill.

As the name indicates, this is an examination of all the clauses in the order in which they appear in the bill. I will call each clause successively, and each clause is subject to debate and vote. If there are amendments to the clause in question, I will recognize the member proposing it, who may explain it. The amendment will then be open for debate.

When no further members wish to intervene, the amendment will be voted on. Amendments will be considered in the order in which they appear in the package each member received from the clerk. If there are amendments that are consequential to each other, they will be voted on together.

In addition to having to be properly drafted in a legal sense, amendments must also be procedurally admissible. The chair may be called upon to rule amendments inadmissible if they go against the principle of the bill or are beyond the scope of the bill, both of which were adopted by the House when it agreed to the bill at second reading, or if they offend the financial prerogative of the crown. If you wish to eliminate a clause of the bill altogether, the proper course of action is to vote against the clause when the time comes, not to propose an amendment to delete it.

Since this is a first exercise for many new members, I will go slowly to allow all members to follow the proceedings properly. If, during the process, the committee decides not to vote on a clause, that clause can be put aside by the committee so that we can revisit it later in the process.

As indicated earlier, the committee will go through the package of amendments in the order in which they appear and vote on them one at a time unless some are consequential and dealt with together.

Amendments have been given a number in the top right corner to indicate which party submitted them. There is no need for a seconder to move an amendment.

Once an amendment has been moved, you will need unanimous consent to withdraw it.

During debate on an amendment, members are permitted to move subamendments. These subamendments do not require the approval of the mover of the amendment.

Only one subamendment may be considered at a time, and that subamendment cannot be amended. When a subamendment to an amendment is moved, the subamendment is voted on first. Then another subamendment may be moved or the committee may consider the main amendment and vote on it.

Once every clause has been voted on, the committee will vote on the title and the bill itself, and an order to reprint the bill will be required so that the House has the proper copy for use at report stage. Finally, the committee will have to order the chair to report the bill to the House. That report contains only the text of any adopted amendments, as well as an indication of any deleted clauses.

I thank the members for their attention and wish everyone a productive clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-4.

To add to this, we did not have any amendments submitted prior to last Friday.

Mr. Zimmer.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I'm speaking for the Conservatives. Gérard will speak for us as well in French.

We are going to be opposing the changes, on division. These are two of our bills that we put through initially, and we support them as is.

I'll defer to my colleague Gérard.

May 9th, 2016 / 3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gérard Deltell Conservative Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC

We'd like to make clear that we are obviously opposed to this bill, so we clearly object to just about all the clauses and amendments.

We are going to oppose it, but we won't turn it into parliamentary guerrilla warfare. We will let the process run its course and not speak simply for the sake of speaking. We will just state that we are against the bill, and we'll make specific comments, as necessary.

Rest assured you have our good faith, even though we are completely opposed to the bill.

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Thank you for that.

If I'm correct, what I am about to offer is that instead of going through it clause by clause, as I explained we were going to do, I'm wondering if we can agree to vote on clauses 1 through 17 as a whole.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

On division, and the Conservatives will be voting no.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

For the purpose of discussion, Ms. Benson, do you have anything to add?

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Sheri Benson NDP Saskatoon West, SK

Do I have objections to that? No.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

I suggest that we vote on the bill as a whole—all 17 clauses.

Is there any discussion? No?

(Clauses 1 to 17 inclusive agreed to on division)

Excellent. That made things very simple. Thank you very much, gentlemen.

3:40 p.m.

A voice

We're not done.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Oh, we're not done. Sorry. I can't get away with it that easily.

Shall the title carry?

3:40 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

On division.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Shall the bill carry?

3:40 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Shall the chair report the bill to the House?

3:40 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Shall the committee order a reprint of the bill?

3:40 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

3:40 p.m.

An hon. members

On division.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Now I'm done.

Thank you very much, everybody. That was very good.

We had put aside an hour for this, so we can probably go to committee business. Are the witnesses here?

3:40 p.m.

A voice

No.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

The witnesses aren't here.

Mr. Warawa.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

Thank you, Chair.

We had time set aside at the end of the meeting for going in camera. We could use that in camera time now and then come back to the witnesses.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

I was just trying to see if the witnesses were here. If they were all here, then I would go to them, but I don't believe they are all here.

If that makes sense, we'll go to the in camera portion of today's committee. We'll recess for a few minutes, and those who need to leave will leave and we'll be good to go.

Thank you, everybody.

[Proceedings continue in camera]

[Public proceedings resume]

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

We're still waiting on some witnesses, but in the interests of time, I think we can at least hear the opening statements from Mr. MacPherson.

We're joined today, from the Prince Edward Island Fishermen's Association, by Robert Jenkins, vice-president, and Ian MacPherson, executive director.

Welcome. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you for joining us.

We have a panel. Two more people will be joining you, but in the interests of capturing some of this time that we have been afforded, I'm going to ask that you move forward with your opening statements while we're waiting for the additional witnesses to join us.

I believe, Mr. MacPherson, you're up.

4:20 p.m.

Ian MacPherson Executive Director, Prince Edward Island Fishermen's Association

Thanks very much, Mr. Chairman.

Do you have in your possession our presentation? That was our opening remarks.