Evidence of meeting #123 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was discussion.
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9:35 p.m.
The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow
I know it sounds confusing, but if this one is not passed, we will discuss your next one, NDP-2.2. However, if this....
9:35 p.m.
NDP
Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON
Oh, I will get to amend mine if this one doesn't pass. Okay.
9:35 p.m.
The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow
Thank you.
Is there further discussion on CPC-9.1?
(Amendment negatived: nays 5; yeas 3)
It is defeated, and therefore we go to NDP 2.2.
Is there any discussion?
Ms. Hardcastle, go ahead.
9:35 p.m.
NDP
9:35 p.m.
NDP
Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON
Yes. I would like to change the word “must” to the word “shall”, in the hope that it will be more palatable to my colleagues across the way so that it will pass.
9:40 p.m.
The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow
Thank you, Ms. Hardcastle.
The concern with “shall” is that it's ambiguous language. We have been using “may” or “must”.
Mr. Van Raalte, do you have any concerns with the word “shall” in place of “must”? We're giving you a lot of “may”, “must” and “shall” tonight.
9:40 p.m.
Director General, Accessibility Secretariat, Department of Employment and Social Development
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
The current drafting protocol is “must” versus “may”.
9:40 p.m.
Director General, Accessibility Secretariat, Department of Employment and Social Development
It's old. It is too ambiguous from an interpretation perspective, which is why the drafting has moved toward “may” versus “must”.
9:40 p.m.
NDP
Cheryl Hardcastle NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON
We've already given this a go with the word “must”. I'll stand with my amendment with the word “shall”, and let's see what happens—with a recorded vote, please.
9:40 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
I have a point of clarification, because I do want to speak to the main motion. Are we on an amendment to change it to “shall” in the motion—
9:40 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
—or is it that the motion is the amendment to the clause right now?
9:40 p.m.
The Vice-Chair Mr. John Barlow
We're going to be doing an amendment to the amendment.
Ms. Hardcastle will have to move an amendment to the amendment to change “must” to “shall”.