Evidence of meeting #25 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was federal.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Khadeeja Ahsan  Barrister and Solicitor, Staff Lawyer, South Asian Legal Clinic of Ontario
Stella Lord  Voluntary Coordinator, Community Society to End Poverty in Nova Scotia
Georgia Barnwell  Coordinator, Women's Centres Connect
Jennefer Laidley  Research and Policy Analyst, Income Security Advocacy Centre
James Hughes  Senior Fellow, The J.W. McConnell Family Foundation, As an Individual

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Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

Yes. Am I on the speakers list? Is it my turn to speak?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Yes.

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Conservative

Mark Warawa Conservative Langley—Aldergrove, BC

I think it's a good motion, but in a practical sense we could include this within the mandate of what we are discussing on poverty. I think that's the point that Pierre is making. As we hear about the importance of housing, will a carbon tax increase the cost of housing? Absolutely. How about heating those homes? Where they are on a fixed income, it will increase that. It will increase transportation costs for a person, but we also heard that the public transportation costs will increase. The costs of food, drugs, meds, and education will increase dramatically too.

If we could have that as part of this study and increase our mandate—a question through you to Pierre—would you accept that, so we don't have to have a separate study? It would be part of this study.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

That's the question.

Mr. Ruimy, go ahead.

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Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

Mr. Chair, I move to adjourn the debate.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Okay. It's non-debatable.

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I have a point of order, Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

This means you're just saying—

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

As a point of order, Chair, that would mean this meeting is adjourned, if that's where Mr. Ruimy is going, and I thought you wanted to hear the witnesses today.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

No, we're talking about the debate on this motion. I believe we can, but we would have to deal with his motion first, because it supersedes—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

That's a debatable motion, though. This motion is debatable.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

I'm trying to think of the quickest way to get to where we need to get to on this, and as I said, I want to—

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Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

We just want to vote on it, so—

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Liberal

Dan Ruimy Liberal Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge, BC

I moved to adjourn the debate on this motion.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Okay. I think they're done. I'm not sure that we need to do that. We're prepared to vote on this particular....

Now I just question.... Normally, this would be considered committee business, and we would be doing this in camera. Is this an issue? No? Okay, I just want to make sure I'm not breaking any rules there.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Mr. Chair, I believe I can.... I'm not attempting to disrupt the discussion here—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

Well, you are.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

—but I do believe this matter should be discussed in public and not in camera.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

I'm not suggesting that. I'm just saying—

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

I guess what I'm suggesting is a compromise. Maybe we could return to the subject at another time, as long as there's agreement that we could discuss it out in the open. I would put the matter to—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

I think there's appetite to—

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Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

Mr. Chair, the motion—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

—vote on this now.

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Liberal

Wayne Long Liberal Saint John—Rothesay, NB

The motion shouldn't be debatable now, though. Can we just not call a vote?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bryan May

I think this was sort of the attempt. I think this is what was asked of us, and I think that's what we should do at this point. That's fair. Can we move to vote, or must we have Mr. Ruimy pull the motion?