Evidence of meeting #16 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was data.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Yves Giroux  Parliamentary Budget Officer, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer
Ben Segel-Brown  Analyst, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer
Caroline Nicol  Analyst, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Danielle Widmer
Brittany Collier  Committee Researcher

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Go ahead if you want to supplement that, Mr. Segel-Brown. Then we're going to wrap up.

5:55 p.m.

Analyst, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer

Ben Segel-Brown

For households where there are repair issues or crowding—that's unsuitable and inadequate housing—we aren't measuring the gap between the affordable level and what they pay. We're assuming they would have to rent another unit at market rent. That reflects the rent subsidy that would be required for that household to be able to access a unit at market rent.

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you very much Mr. Giroux and your supporting staff. We first of all want to thank you for your patience in terms of having to wait until we got through the votes to appear before us, for the work that you've done on your report and for being with us here this evening.

I have no doubt that the report will greatly help us as we are now concluding the study and about to issue drafting instructions. Thank you for the work you have done in furthering the study that we've undertaken.

We are now going to move to committee business.

Mr. Giroux and company, you are welcome to stay but you are free to leave. We don't have any further questions.

5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Mr. Chair, I have just one quick point before we proceed, if that's okay, sir?

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Yes.

5:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Mr. Giroux kindly agreed that they would get back to me on some of those questions. I think it's timely information for our upcoming report. I'm just wondering if they would be able to give us that information in the next couple of business days, if that's most appropriate.

5:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Mr. Giroux, can you come up with the answers that you've undertaken to provide as quickly as you can? As I indicated, you are the last witnesses for the study. We're going to issue drafting instructions and the information that you've committed to provide may very well factor significantly in the report.

I'm reluctant to impose a deadline, but if we could ask you to proceed with all due haste, that would be greatly appreciated.

6 p.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer

Yves Giroux

Sure. We always strive to provide information as fast as possible, but we'll put extra attention to your committee. I would say, Mr. Chair, that's what happens when you save the best for last.

6 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

You don't want to reopen the debate here.

Thank you very much, sir.

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Parliamentary Budget Officer, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer

Yves Giroux

Thank you.

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Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

6 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

All right, colleagues. We do have quite a few items by way of committee business, so I'll just give you a rundown of what we hope to accomplish and then we'll start chipping away.

The first order of business will be the election of a vice-chair. Then I would like for us to turn our attention to our next study on employment insurance and talk about the next meeting and the opening statements. Also on the EI study, if we could agree on whether we're going to accept briefs, there does appear to be a fair amount of interest, and we have drafted a press release if you wish to do that.

Among the other items for consideration is of course issuing drafting instructions on the report that we're in the process of finishing now and on exactly how we're going to incorporate the testimony we just heard today as part of those drafting instructions. You already will have received a draft outline, so it will be a discussion around how we're going to slot this in.

We have two budgets for you to approve and then perhaps a discussion around the way we structure panels for the next report, bearing in mind that we continue to have encroachments on our time from votes.

That's what I hope to get through in the next hour or less, and, of course, any other business you wish to raise.

We could start with the election of the vice-chair. Now that vice-chair Peter Kent has moved on to greener pastures, there is an opening for the position of vice-chair, who must be a member of Her Majesty's loyal opposition. The floor is now open for nominations for the position of vice-chair.

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The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Danielle Widmer

Pursuant to Standing Order 106(2), the first vice-chair must be a member of the official opposition. I am now prepared to receive motions for the first vice-chair.

6 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

I move that Raquel Dancho become the vice-chair of our committee.

6 p.m.

The Clerk

It has been moved by Brad Vis that Raquel Dancho be elected first vice-chair of the committee.

Are there any further motions? I will now proceed to a recorded division, unless there's unanimous consent for the motion.

(Motion agreed to)

I declare that Raquel Dancho is duly elected first vice-chair of the committee.

Congratulations.

6 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Thank you very much, Madam Clerk.

For the second item of committee business, I'd just like to have a brief discussion, colleagues, about our upcoming study on employment insurance. We have commitments from some officials to come and provide us with a briefing on Thursday. Given that EI is vast and that the officials will be with us, I'm in your hands as to whether we stick with our normal five minutes of opening statements, or whether you would like something where they do more talking and we ask fewer questions in terms of getting background.

I wanted to test the waters here to see whether there is any appetite for requesting a presentation of longer than five minutes for them, or whether for this meeting we'll stick with the routine motions that we've adopted, as we have for all others.

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

My hand is raised, Mr. Chair.

6:05 p.m.

Bloc

Louise Chabot Bloc Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Mine is too, Mr. Chair.

6:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Okay. We have a speakers list.

I'm going to give the floor to Mr. Vis.

Mr. Vis, go ahead.

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Vis Conservative Mission—Matsqui—Fraser Canyon, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Generally speaking—and I'm not going to speak for my colleagues on the committee—five minutes seems to be substantive. I think the government officials who appear are welcome to provide further commentary in both official languages in advance that we can read and respond to in our questioning.

6:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

That's fair enough.

Ms. Chabot, you have the floor.

6:05 p.m.

Bloc

Louise Chabot Bloc Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Are you able to tell us how many people there would be? In any case, I would be in favour of keeping the five minutes, even if the speaking notes have to be more focused. During our question period, we could supplement the testimony by asking questions of the witnesses.

6:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

Ms. Chabot, perhaps the clerk could answer this question.

How many witnesses do we expect to have for the first meeting, Madam Clerk?

6:05 p.m.

The Clerk

There will be at least four witnesses, maybe five.

6:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sean Casey

However, it is likely that only one person will take the floor to represent their organization.